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Overview
It would be a horrible experience to be attacked in your own home. To fear that you, your wife, and your unborn child, are all in danger. Threatened in the sanctity of your own abode. How would you react? What would you do?
If you’re lucky, you get a second chance. A relative passes and leaves you an idyllic place far from the dangers posed by a heartless city. A nice place with nice neighbors. You’ve left the worst behind you.
Haven’t you?
Would you say that you wish for the danger of the city and the thugs that inhabit it? Would you look at the previous attack as a good night?
You might.
You just might.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unwelcome_(film)
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00:00:00.76
Stephen Schneider
All right, so there goes. Yeah, we’ve got major stuff blowing up with absolutely nothing I can do, and I’ve been trying to do everything I can. So, of course, the bosses are yelling, and well maybe we need to get Condor to do it.
00:00:15.55
Stephen Schneider
Well, Condor already looked at it, so tell me what suggestion you have next, you know.
00:00:21.24
Rhys
yeah I just got off a call with my boss where she was like, i yeah this feels a little off to her OCD. And I was like, okay, well, we can fix it by doing this. But if we do, then this is going to be off a little bit. And she’s like, oh, no.
00:00:36.03
Rhys
She’s like, I’m literally picking at my face right now.
00:00:40.86
Rhys
but Okay, great.
00:00:41.19
Stephen Schneider
Wow. Yeah. I love it when that you get the, okay, go do this. Well, I can, but it’s going to affect this and do that. It will?
00:00:51.75
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Oh, we don’t want to do that. i I know. That’s why I told you before I just went and did this, you know, all the time, all the time.
00:01:00.71
Rhys
Oh, we’ll have to make sure we cut this out because this ah people at work listen to this now.
00:01:04.97
Stephen Schneider
Oh God. Yes.
00:01:06.82
Rhys
So.
00:01:07.09
Stephen Schneider
Oh God, yes. I always cut the this little part out. Yes. So, all right. So I’m ready if you’re ready.
00:01:16.71
Rhys
Yeah, I think I am.
00:01:18.77
Stephen Schneider
Okay. It’s been a while. So, and I’ll get the goblin up in the folder so we can watch that and do that sometime. And then what’s the last movie on our set here?
00:01:29.72
Rhys
um
00:01:33.08
Stephen Schneider
Okay.
00:01:33.75
Rhys
ah One missed call. It
00:01:35.76
Stephen Schneider
Oh, one missed call, which I believe I have. i got I’ll put in the…
00:01:38.34
Rhys
is, and not unlike…
00:01:39.80
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, Miyake, right. Okay. All right. So ah today we are winding down season five. We’re on number 14. And this is an interesting, good one. This is the unwelcome today, Reese.
00:01:53.72
Rhys
it is and not unlike Craig, David Wallace and Todd in the book of pure evil. If you came into this thinking, oh, this is going to be humorous and fun, just like grabbers. I got bad news for you.
00:02:06.12
Stephen Schneider
it it It will be ah humorous and fun if your name is you know Mr. Serial Killer something. That would very be funny.
00:02:15.41
Stephen Schneider
All right. So the unwelcome. ah So, yeah, you you mentioned Grabbers. um and we We loved Grabbers. I you know i thought Grabbers was one of our better movies as far as the comedy and the fun. and you know But it’s still in that horror vein. It fit a lot of things.
00:02:34.97
Stephen Schneider
Same guy, still working on mythology, but totally different tone.
00:02:39.52
Rhys
Yeah, and I had purposely moved this away from one of the earlier ones because I was like, how oh, from Hatchet, because I was like, we don’t want two funny ones next to each other. This isn’t really funny at all.
00:02:49.25
Stephen Schneider
No, no, no, it’s a bigger movie.
00:02:51.44
Rhys
um
00:02:53.53
Stephen Schneider
i think it was distributed by Warner brothers. The first one was, you know, ah yeah, yeah.
00:02:55.92
Rhys
I know. was floored by that.
00:03:00.25
Stephen Schneider
And it felt like a bigger movie, but it still had, I saw a lot of his type of things in it, you know, based on what I saw in grabbers trademark.
00:03:08.85
Rhys
Yeah, there’s actually, there’s actually production notes about why it feels like a bigger movie too, which we’ll get to in a second, but, um,
00:03:09.65
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:03:15.59
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. yeah It is darker though. So just those of you that are listening and haven’t seen it, it is a darker movie, but it still deals with ah Irish type mythology.
00:03:22.93
Rhys
for sure.
00:03:27.44
Stephen Schneider
If you enjoy that type of stuff.
00:03:30.97
Rhys
Yes and no. And we’re going to talk about that in a minute too.
00:03:33.15
Stephen Schneider
Yep. Yes, we will.
00:03:35.00
Rhys
ah
00:03:35.03
Stephen Schneider
All right, let’s go.
00:03:36.17
Rhys
Grabbers came out in 2012. It ran an hour and 34 minutes. 10 years later, Unwelcome came out. It was an hour and 44. So it’s a little bit longer. um They both brought in a box office of about 400,000.
00:03:52.13
Rhys
um I can’t get the budget on Unwelcome. The budget on Grabbers was about 4 million. And Grabbers had 15 nominations with four wins and Unwelcome didn’t get any.
00:04:05.30
Rhys
um One way or the other.
00:04:06.66
Stephen Schneider
Well, was Unwelcome direct to streaming?
00:04:07.06
Rhys
And
00:04:10.59
Stephen Schneider
ah i i’m not sure.
00:04:12.11
Rhys
it it did some shows.
00:04:12.58
Stephen Schneider
I don’t know.
00:04:15.75
Stephen Schneider
Okay.
00:04:16.55
Rhys
And then went, I think you’re right, like direct to streaming or um video on demand, something like that.
00:04:24.08
Stephen Schneider
And not that Grabbers had a huge wide worldwide release everywhere, but it did it was at some of the…
00:04:28.57
Rhys
Right. Right, right.
00:04:32.31
Stephen Schneider
type of key ends and, you know, other movie trade shows.
00:04:37.53
Rhys
Yeah, and I think it’s ah it’s a good ah comparison, again, to Craig David Wallace. like When you look up this film or when you look up this director, John Wright, there’s nothing on them.
00:04:50.48
Rhys
So you know I don’t have a nice little bio on IMDb or on Wikipedia that I can go by. These guys, you literally have to find interviews with them and pull from direct primary sources. So that’s what we ended up doing.
00:05:04.63
Stephen Schneider
We should try and find out, reach out to them because if they haven’t done a whole lot, they might be willing to jump on a podcast and talk to a couple of people.
00:05:13.08
Rhys
Both of them had their own working reels. Um, and they both had contact information on those reels.
00:05:17.16
Stephen Schneider
Okay.
00:05:21.06
Rhys
So yeah, a lot of the interviews I saw right with were, you know, literally just people like us.
00:05:21.97
Stephen Schneider
That might be something to do for something between stuff. Yeah. I’ll look into it a bit more.
00:05:31.22
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, that’s pretty cool.
00:05:31.58
Rhys
So yeah.
00:05:32.94
Stephen Schneider
I’ll look into that part a little bit more.
00:05:35.70
Rhys
He is Irish. He was born in 71 in Belfast, um moved away, I’m presuming to England, um but would return frequently on trips to see his grandfather.
00:05:46.91
Rhys
And that kind of return trip, he always saw Ireland as a magical place. And those kind of trips are what helped inform Jamie’s feeling about going to see his Aunt Maeve in this movie.
00:06:00.07
Rhys
So I thought that was…
00:06:01.58
Stephen Schneider
thats That’s cool. Yeah, i feel like I could relate to this guy.
00:06:05.94
Rhys
Yeah. um The pandemic. This was filmed during 2020 during the pandemic. And that was good and…
00:06:13.94
Stephen Schneider
Well, do do little elves and gnomes catch COVID, I wonder? Might not cross over.
00:06:20.18
Rhys
It was good and bad. He said the hardest part about it was directing with a mask on. Because he’s like, you really don’t realize until you take it away how much of the expression of what you’re saying happens below your eyes.
00:06:34.13
Rhys
And as a director, you know, that’s really important. Once you take that away, ah people can’t really see. However, ah one of the things that was really good was construction guys were out of work.
00:06:48.94
Rhys
And so he had a construction crew ready. They came, they built the house, they built the set and at a complete soundstage for the whole thing.
00:06:59.73
Stephen Schneider
That’s pretty cool.
00:07:00.79
Rhys
Which is what helps because he could control everything then. He controlled the lighting. He controlled the destruction, whatever. And so that’s what, one of the things that makes the movie seem a little more surreal or a little like hyper polished.
00:07:17.77
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:07:17.97
Rhys
It has that, that wizard of Oz kind of fakeness about it because the lighting and he can control the color.
00:07:22.42
Stephen Schneider
It did. Yes, you’re right.
00:07:25.77
Rhys
one point in time, he turns the sky red, you know, cause he can.
00:07:29.95
Stephen Schneider
Right.
00:07:30.85
Rhys
So that worked out well for him.
00:07:31.07
Stephen Schneider
ah And they they built more than just the one set. And we’ll get to that when we start talking about all the things going on.
00:07:37.88
Rhys
Yeah, some of it was shot on location, but like that whole house section, you know, that whole area was all just absolute set.
00:07:45.71
Stephen Schneider
and And so he had control of all these construction guys and they still couldn’t get that hole in the roof fixed.
00:07:52.68
Rhys
Well, that’s, it’s so funny to me because there’s no way in Ireland where it rains like 75% of the time that bedroom would look that nice with a hole right over the bed.
00:08:02.73
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:08:03.37
Rhys
i That would just been a swamp.
00:08:08.14
Rhys
Um, he said this film is about violence, which is probably why it’s nowhere near as amusing as grabbers.
00:08:14.19
Stephen Schneider
That makes sense.
00:08:15.29
Rhys
Um, And I thought this was really fascinating. He had this thing, this theory. He’s like, he was talking to the guy who was helping to write it. And he’s like, we’re not big men. um And we find ourselves to be kind of cowardly. And he said, we dress it up by saying we’re pacifists, um which is just a fancy way of saying a coward.
00:08:40.84
Rhys
And he’s like, what really fascinated him was that if you take people who are like that and you put them in a corner where they have to fight, they become hyper violent.
00:08:52.90
Rhys
As opposed to people who are violent in the first place, because people who are violent in the first place are used to being in a fight. You know, you know what you need to do. You knock the guy down, blah, blah. That’s it. As opposed to someone like this, who’s back to a corner, they just want to end it and they want to end it permanently.
00:09:08.29
Stephen Schneider
Right.
00:09:08.46
Rhys
And so he thought that was really interesting how you can take somebody who is so peaceful, but if you force them to violence, they’re going to be super, super violent.
00:09:17.85
Stephen Schneider
Like, like, uh, if you remember that character in DC’s Atari force, the pack rat, uh, whenever they get cornered, they, they go practically berserk, but other than that, they were just a quiet little thief. Yeah.
00:09:31.03
Rhys
Yeah. So he also found it interesting how he, like he made characters to like embrace that. So like the Wayland family revel in their violence.
00:09:43.12
Rhys
They revel in their antisocial behavior and the red caps do too. um
00:09:48.87
Stephen Schneider
Yes.
00:09:49.02
Rhys
Oh, before we go too much further, i want to give a shout out to Zach, who is by far and large, the best party planner I’ve ever met. So, Hey Zach, I hope you’re enjoying the podcast so far.
00:10:01.37
Stephen Schneider
Hey, Zach.
00:10:04.20
Rhys
um He liked the idea that the creatures were magical. So as opposed to like, say, Bigfoot or Yeti or the, you know, all of those where people are out hunting for them.
00:10:17.45
Rhys
He’s like, there’s no point in hunting for magical creatures because they can disappear whenever they want to. And he liked that as a way of solving the problem of like, you know, why can’t you ever find these things? Well, it’s because they come and go whenever they want from wherever bizarre realm they live into this one.
00:10:33.95
Stephen Schneider
Right.
00:10:35.86
Rhys
He took his concept ah drawings and gave them to a guy named Paul Catling, who is a production artist. And he works on huge stuff like Guardians the Galaxy, you know, like Avengers lay level crap is the kind of stuff he works on.
00:10:53.34
Rhys
He loves working with John Wright because when John gives him stuff, he’s like, do what you want, man. And there are no bad ideas from Paul Catling. when they’re working on this, there’s no committees, there’s no nothing, whatever he wants to do is what happens.
00:11:07.50
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. You know, we’ve talked about that about movies in general. and They usually seem to get screwed up when the higher CEO executives get their thumbs involved in it and start dictating this should be this way and that should be that way.
00:11:20.06
Stephen Schneider
Instead of letting creative people with the freedom to be creative, you know?
00:11:25.58
Rhys
Yeah. Yeah. um He says he felt that this film was the first time he made a movie and it came out exactly how he wanted it.
00:11:35.42
Stephen Schneider
Nice.
00:11:36.44
Rhys
Yeah, it’s a nice thing. It’s a nice thing to, ah you know, it’s a nice position to find yourself in. He he cited um gremlins, ah hereditary, and midsummer as influences for this film, which you can see why it might lend itself to a dark character.
00:11:43.75
Stephen Schneider
yeah
00:11:51.86
Stephen Schneider
Wow.
00:11:57.07
Rhys
Avenue.
00:11:57.96
Stephen Schneider
Right, right.
00:11:58.88
Rhys
And then production wise, the red caps were actually full size people. And they built the set double sized for all the scenes where they had to interact with stuff like opening doors and things.
00:12:14.76
Stephen Schneider
Right.
00:12:15.62
Rhys
And he got the idea from that, from the movie cat’s eye in the eighties.
00:12:19.87
Stephen Schneider
oh
00:12:21.02
Rhys
It was an anth Stephen King anthology film. The last one, um, was drew Barrymore. as a little girl and they were like goblins and the cat, you know, help fund them off. And that’s how the King did it.
00:12:33.73
Rhys
Well, not King, but when they made cat’s eye, that’s how they did it. They made the double size set.
00:12:37.74
Stephen Schneider
Right, right.
00:12:38.03
Rhys
So,
00:12:39.06
Stephen Schneider
And I was watching the different scenes and because, you know, sometimes if you look, you can say, oh, I can see how that’s not really that size, that it’s a different size or that it it was made bigger because it doesn’t look quite like it would at normal size.
00:12:53.88
Stephen Schneider
ah The same with like Lord of the Rings, all the perspective stuff they did in that. This was done really well. There’s not a whole lot where you look at It’s like, that looks odd. That looks off. There’s there’s none of that.
00:13:07.25
Stephen Schneider
It’s done and merged really well. There might be a few little scenes where the the red cap is, you know, kind of here, but they’re looking kind of here. You know, you get that occasionally, but nothing that was too outrageous. So it was very impressive.
00:13:23.05
Rhys
Yeah. The red caps were full size actors in suits with masks and the masks had no facial features. And then he would, uh, he do motion capture for the facial feature so that the thing, their eyes and their mouths all react like they would in real life.
00:13:42.73
Rhys
So, um,
00:13:44.36
Stephen Schneider
Oh, that’s cool. Because, ah yeah, the faces did look a little weird, but it’s kind of a stylistic thing.
00:13:50.66
Rhys
Yeah.
00:13:50.76
Stephen Schneider
That’s cool.
00:13:52.27
Rhys
ah He’s done 12 pieces overall. ah The first three were shorts. Then he did a low budget British horror film called Tormented,
00:14:03.14
Rhys
um which is ah about like a kid who’s picked on in school and like kills himself and then comes back as a zombie and has his revenge on everybody.
00:14:13.36
Stephen Schneider
Like, you know, nothing none of us have ever thought of before.
00:14:13.69
Rhys
oh
00:14:16.80
Rhys
Absolutely. Then he did Grabbers. He did a movie called Robot Overlords. Um, with Jillian Anderson.
00:14:24.47
Stephen Schneider
Oh, cool.
00:14:25.44
Rhys
um he did several television shows and he’s currently doing the new, uh, DiGleisch detective series for the BBC.
00:14:33.66
Stephen Schneider
Oh, okay.
00:14:34.86
Rhys
So Hannah, John came plays Maya.
00:14:43.14
Rhys
And, um, she was born in Yorkshire 89 and,
00:14:49.77
Rhys
And she has 29 pieces in her CV. The first of which on there, she did voiceover for the original Dark Souls.
00:14:59.26
Stephen Schneider
Oh, really? Wow.
00:15:00.58
Rhys
Yeah. And then she came back and did a different character in Dark Souls 2 when it came out.
00:15:07.05
Stephen Schneider
Wow.
00:15:08.11
Rhys
Um, she was on lots of really good television shows. She was on the misfits. Uh, she was on white chapel, game of Thrones, black mirror, the kill joys, dark crystal, the age of resistance and a brave new world. So she moved around a lot of good TV.
00:15:24.73
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, she definitely likes the the more horror genre, it seems.
00:15:29.59
Rhys
Well, yeah. Uh, but, but then you look at her movie credits, she was in the force awakens.
00:15:31.12
Stephen Schneider
the Or the darker stuff. Yeah.
00:15:37.72
Stephen Schneider
Oh, nice.
00:15:38.73
Rhys
Um, she was in the tomb Raider movie, the latest one. She was in ready player one. um she did voiceover for resident evil. Welcome to raccoon city.
00:15:51.19
Rhys
She was in the 2023 remake a breaking point. Um, and she was in ant-man and wasp and is in the theaters presently with thunderbolts. She is, she is ghost.
00:16:02.21
Stephen Schneider
Oh, she’s goes. Oh my God.
00:16:05.61
Rhys
Yeah.
00:16:06.21
Stephen Schneider
Cause I just saw Thunderbolts last night. Didn’t recognize it from that.
00:16:08.96
Rhys
There you
00:16:09.96
Stephen Schneider
Now I’m have to go pay attention and look.
00:16:12.61
Rhys
go. She’s got two upcoming movies. One’s called Rachel and the other is called Avengers Doomsday. Doomsday.
00:16:18.46
Stephen Schneider
Oh, I haven’t heard of that one.
00:16:20.08
Rhys
Yeah. So…
00:16:22.34
Stephen Schneider
Well, good for her. Wow. I love when there’s actors that are smaller parts that you don’t see, you know, up front all the time in your face, but they get some bigger movies, but then they still do these type of movies.
00:16:36.72
Stephen Schneider
ah it a lot of times it feels more authentic to me. I’m no actor, but you know,
00:16:43.52
Rhys
You must have loved Thunderbolts then.
00:16:45.70
Stephen Schneider
actually I did. liked Thunderbolts.
00:16:47.69
Rhys
Yeah. A lot of people have Douglas Booth plays Jamie. Now he was born in Greenwich in 92. he’s been in 27 pieces, not a whole lot in the way of television.
00:17:01.15
Rhys
Um, but lots lots of movies. Um, he was in a version of Romeo and Juliet. He was in a version of the story of Noah. Uh, he played a young boy, George, you know, made for TV biopic on boy, George.
00:17:16.81
Rhys
So he got to meet the man.
00:17:16.94
Stephen Schneider
Wow. That’s kind of cool.
00:17:19.46
Rhys
Um, yeah, it was called worried about the boy. And then he’s always, he’s been in other titles like LOL and Jupiter ascending, um pride and prejudice and zombies.
00:17:33.90
Rhys
ah Mary Shelley. And just for you, he played Nikki six in the 2019 motley crew video for looks that kill.
00:17:42.86
Stephen Schneider
See, that that would be fun. I’d enjoy doing something like that.
00:17:47.61
Rhys
he’s got four upcoming projects. The way of the wind, um, Fabio Dandria, Bonnie and Clyde. He plays Clyde. Uh, he’s playing in a movie called gore as a character named Jamie, which I thought was interesting.
00:18:03.53
Rhys
ah since that’s the name of his character in this one.
00:18:05.07
Stephen Schneider
Right.
00:18:05.89
Rhys
And he’ll be on the next season of the Sandman as Clerican, the elven ambassador who drinks constantly.
00:18:10.96
Stephen Schneider
Oh.
00:18:15.08
Stephen Schneider
Well, that sounds like a fun role.
00:18:16.73
Rhys
Yeah.
00:18:19.27
Rhys
Colm Meany played Daddy Whelan. Colm Whelan.
00:18:23.57
Stephen Schneider
Recognize him.
00:18:23.67
Rhys
He was born Yeah, he was born in 53 in Dublin and he works. The man has 147 entries in his IMDb starting in 73 with a television episode of a show called Thursday Playdate.
00:18:32.76
Stephen Schneider
Wow.
00:18:37.04
Rhys
So he was starting way back then. The first title that I came across that i recognized because a lot of his stuff is Irish or or who British or worse Irish, which you know you never actually get to see.
00:18:51.49
Rhys
ah He was in an episode of Remington steel and episode of moonlighting MacGyver. He was in an episode of tales from the dark side.
00:18:58.07
Stephen Schneider
yeah
00:19:01.76
Rhys
Movie wise, he’s been in.
00:19:03.71
Stephen Schneider
Well, I mean, don’t skip DS9. You gotta throw that in.
00:19:07.28
Rhys
Well, so I was saving those for last.
00:19:10.13
Stephen Schneider
Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry.
00:19:11.16
Rhys
Yeah. He was in the next generation and he was in deep space nine a total of 230 episodes. So.
00:19:17.70
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, that, I mean, to say he’s been in 173 things plus doing those regular series, that’s pretty impressive.
00:19:17.81
Rhys
so
00:19:24.51
Rhys
Yeah.
00:19:24.62
Stephen Schneider
Sorry. Sorry, I didn’t mean to pull your thunder there.
00:19:27.44
Rhys
Oh no, it’s fine. the The movies that he’s been in though is a weird mix. Like die hard to Dick Tracy, the commitments that makes sense. Far and away last, the Mohicans under siege.
00:19:36.35
Stephen Schneider
That was a good one. I liked that one.
00:19:41.78
Rhys
Um, the Englishman who went up a hill and came down a mountain, um, con air layer cake. So he’s been in tons and tons of stuff. He’s got four upcoming projects.
00:19:51.55
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:19:53.01
Rhys
One’s called the panic. One’s called shelter me. One is called remarkably bright creatures. And the last one is called the happy worker. All of those are coming up. If you’re looking for more calm, meanie.
00:20:04.16
Stephen Schneider
Oh yeah. I’ve seen him in quite a few things. He’ll just like, he’s again, he’s never that main guy, the main character, but he plays these smaller characters very well.
00:20:15.90
Stephen Schneider
And you start recognizing them like, like that eternal bad guy, the Korean guy from all the action movies in the eighties.
00:20:18.55
Rhys
Yeah.
00:20:23.62
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:20:24.64
Rhys
Yeah. ah Christian Nairn plays um Owen Whelan, and he is a self-professed Comic-Con nerd and a fan of World Warcraft.
00:20:35.97
Rhys
In fact, he’s got one of the clans tattooed on his arm.
00:20:35.94
Stephen Schneider
Wow. that’s That’s pretty committed.
00:20:41.41
Rhys
Standing at six foot ten, he’s from County Antrim in Northern Ireland. He’s been in 14 projects, the most recognizable of which being long runs on Game of Thrones. He was Hodor. Everyone loved Hodor.
00:20:53.33
Rhys
And he was in, he’s in that series, Our Flag Means Death, which is that kind of.
00:20:57.96
Stephen Schneider
Oh, I haven’t seen that, but I’ve heard it’s Tycho with TD, right?
00:21:01.94
Rhys
Yeah.
00:21:02.10
Stephen Schneider
That one. Yeah, it’s on my list.
00:21:03.21
Rhys
Yeah.
00:21:04.03
Stephen Schneider
I got to see it. But he is a huge guy.
00:21:07.31
Rhys
So.
00:21:08.04
Stephen Schneider
he’d He’d be good to fight the big guy that was just on the last season, a reacher. He was six ten or 6’8 or something like that.
00:21:16.76
Rhys
Yeah, this guy’s six, 10 and three quarters. um There were tons of other amazing actors in here, and I didn’t do full bios on them all, but like Chris Wally, he was in 1917 in The Last Voyage of Demeter. Niamh Cusack was from Hereafter and Doctor Who podcasts.
00:21:37.47
Rhys
Finbar Lynch was from A Midsummer Night’s Dream and Game of Thrones. Rick Warden was in Rome and Band of Brothers. Lalo Roddy, who was in Grabbers.
00:21:49.22
Rhys
he was also a kneecap in the devil’s doorway. And of course the lovely Jamie Lee O’Donnell from dairy girls. I mean, they’re all amazing actors. And I, you know, I think we actually did Lola Roddy when we did grabbers um back when, but,
00:22:03.00
Stephen Schneider
Probably.
00:22:05.83
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. And, and to be fair, there there’s there’s um not a lot of people that are in tons of scenes. um So, you know, the, the main ones are in 90% of the movie.
00:22:18.23
Stephen Schneider
Everybody else gets like a 10% part here and there.
00:22:21.10
Rhys
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was just when I started going through the cast, I’m like, man, there’s just so many of them and they’re so good. And all those people I listed, they all had like 50, 60 things on there. But again, it’s not even like it’s BBC television.
00:22:34.98
Rhys
It’s RTE, e which is, you know, there is no RTE America. you You can’t sit there and watch Irish programming ah and in ah the States. So ah the last one we’re going to talk about,
00:22:43.99
Stephen Schneider
Right. We’ll have to talk to Kaylee to put it onto a stream and we’ll VPN to it. Yeah.
00:22:51.20
Rhys
There you go. Uh, the last one we’re going to talk about are the fair drag or the red caps. And here’s where right. And I are going to come to blows a little bit.
00:23:02.93
Rhys
Um, because he refers to them as red caps, which isn’t wrong. He also refers to them as the fair jar, which means in Gaelic red man.
00:23:17.03
Rhys
um And the Irish are always doing that. You have like a Bonleith, which is the gray women. um and fair drag, you have the red men and they are similar, but they’re not the same thing as red caps.
00:23:34.82
Rhys
And the main difference is being red cap seems to be, ah an entity from Southern Scotland, Northern great Britain.
00:23:46.85
Rhys
And they are known for, and this is one of the things that he loved. they you know if if you fall victim to them, they will soak their hats in your blood, which is what gives their hats the red color.
00:24:00.10
Stephen Schneider
wow
00:24:01.86
Rhys
But the fair derg are solitary creatures. um And they they don’t they don’t run in a pack. And they’re mischievous and they’re easily offended, but like, there’s a story, um, from mythology called the lucky guest where you have one of the red caps, the, the fair jerk show up to this house.
00:24:35.14
Rhys
And he just comes in out of a storm and everyone freaks out. And he sits down and starts to smoke the dad’s pipe who dropped it in shock and everything just sits by the fire. And basically what happens is every time the weather’s bad, he wants to come back to this house.
00:24:48.71
Rhys
And so they set up this thing. So when his hand reaches in, which is really funny because there’s scene in the movie that made me think of this, his hand reaches in through a hole by the door. Everyone sees it and goes to bed because he doesn’t want to be watched.
00:25:01.81
Rhys
And he comes in and sits by the fire. Well, at times when the family comes into conflict with that, where they want to watch him or the dad’s drunk and is rude to him, bad things happen, but no one dies.
00:25:16.16
Rhys
So like this one guy’s out working in the fields and he had been really rude to to the guy. And so a rock comes flying up and hits his shovel and splits exactly into two pieces around him.
00:25:29.12
Rhys
But if it would have hit him in the head, it would have killed him. So it had the ability to kill him, but it didn’t, it would curse your cow and you that kind of thing.
00:25:38.16
Stephen Schneider
Like Casper the Friendly Ghost.
00:25:41.03
Rhys
I don’t know how to necessarily say friendly, but certainly not homicidal.
00:25:42.35
Stephen Schneider
or but that Right. ah
00:25:45.77
Rhys
You know what i mean?
00:25:46.96
Stephen Schneider
They sound a little bit like Rumpelstiltskin, you know.
00:25:50.77
Rhys
Yeah.
00:25:50.76
Stephen Schneider
and You get that that… I mean, that’s part of the whole fairy thing, the mischief mischievousness and playing pranks and stuff like that. So, you know, I… I mean, me…
00:26:05.15
Stephen Schneider
I would find information, libraries, internet, talking to people. I’d see how it’d be easy to combine or mix up some things depending on your sources. I’m not saying, ah you know, right or wrong, but also for fictional movie purposes, maybe he did it on purpose, like the little bit of each.
00:26:23.48
Rhys
That’s true. And you can’t deny that they’re certainly related. I mean, the cultures are so close anyways. um i I think we’re kind of splitting hairs, but you know I didn’t want… ah He liked the fact that unlike leprechauns, who are mischievous but can be helpful and are mostly harmless, the fair Jurg…
00:26:48.63
Rhys
revel in their violence and, you know, are certainly not harmless. They eat people for God’s sakes. And I’m just saying, well, okay, maybe on one Island, but you know, and in actual Ireland itself, they don’t do that.
00:27:01.86
Stephen Schneider
and you know, that’s one of the things i like that we do is bring up those points, show the other sides or things like that, you know.
00:27:09.61
Rhys
Yeah, they do.
00:27:10.37
Stephen Schneider
So I like that.
00:27:11.92
Rhys
Mythologically, they are impervious to the strength of men. um, so um Like in the movie, daddy Whalen hits one with, with a slot, with a, a camel, which is a, a hurling stick and knocks him onto the bed and then like crushes his skull with it.
00:27:32.75
Rhys
In mythology, that wouldn’t work because you can hit them as hard as you want. It’s not going to hurt them. You have to actually spit scripture at them. You quote the Bible and it causes them pain and causes them to to retreat.
00:27:48.30
Rhys
Which I thought is, you know, that’s one way of getting away with how is it these guys can, you know, tick everybody off so much when they’re only like 18 inches tall.
00:27:48.40
Stephen Schneider
Interesting.
00:27:56.65
Rhys
Well, it’s because you can’t hurt them.
00:27:58.58
Stephen Schneider
Right.
00:27:59.37
Rhys
So.
00:28:00.75
Stephen Schneider
Cool.
00:28:01.77
Rhys
Yeah. So let’s talk about the movie, Steve.
00:28:04.68
Stephen Schneider
Let’s talk. Click. Drink time.
00:28:09.16
Rhys
Yeah. The first thing in my notes, um it says WB film. Really?
00:28:15.86
Rhys
I’m just floored that he was happy with how it came out, that it came out so well. And it’s a WD WB distributed film. So.
00:28:25.39
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Yeah. i I saw that too. And I went, do I have the right movie? That was my first thought.
00:28:31.14
Rhys
Yeah. And you we’ve had this conversation about other movies. You were saying how, um, Jeremy Gardner, like you guys are, clicking on the same cylinders. I think John Wright and I are too, because he starts this with an amazing overhead architectural shot.
00:28:48.81
Rhys
And I’m always bitching about, you know, I want to see, i want to see what everything looks like so I can map things out in my head.
00:28:53.42
Stephen Schneider
Right.
00:28:54.42
Rhys
That’s how he starts the movie. I’m like, that’s awesome.
00:28:57.10
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:28:57.92
Rhys
Um, they’re in the projects I’m betting in London. yeah.
00:29:02.87
Stephen Schneider
It seemed like it. Yeah.
00:29:04.47
Rhys
Yeah.
00:29:04.44
Stephen Schneider
It reminded me of attack of the block a bit.
00:29:08.14
Rhys
Oh, very much so. In fact, I reference it here in a second. Maya is in the bathroom. She’s taking a pregnancy test. Jamie’s cooking dinner. They’re both very excited.
00:29:19.65
Rhys
So they want this baby. This is not ah this is not the Black Coat’s daughter where you know she thought she was pregnant and then was relieved when she wasn’t. They want a kid.
00:29:32.07
Rhys
It’s this very loving couple. um They say stuff like, it’s always been you and me against the world. ah The timer goes off. She checks it. She is pregnant.
00:29:44.44
Rhys
Yay. And so Jamie is off to buy some bubbly. And here’s, here’s my line from my notes. Of course you have this blocks version of high hats and his boys waiting outside the store.
00:29:58.47
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:29:59.11
Rhys
um So Jamie goes out, these guys are hassling him, you know, Hey, they’re, it’s one of those kinds of things where they’re trying to act like they’re friendly and they’re offended that you’re not, but it’s really just a way to get close enough to actually hurt you in a way.
00:30:14.94
Stephen Schneider
Right.
00:30:16.22
Rhys
Um, so he,
00:30:16.19
Stephen Schneider
And it it surprised me if they’ve lived here that he kept engaging with them. I was a little questioned, you know, that like, come on, man, would you really be, you know, but you know, getting, all right, man, you know.
00:30:29.10
Rhys
yeah, by this point in time, you either get along or they don’t pay any attention to you, but, Who knows? Maybe they haven’t been there that long.
00:30:37.31
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. New territory.
00:30:38.13
Rhys
There’s no timeline. ah He goes in and buys his stuff on his way out. They’re hassling him. um And he lashes out. And ah you know he’s like, this isn’t champagne.
00:30:51.01
Rhys
It’s Prosecco. Fuck you. And then he like goes behind his security gate and goes inside, but which apparently didn’t help because ah the next scene you have Maya in the bathroom and you hear
00:30:58.11
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:31:04.30
Rhys
in the other room, the door opening, he comes in and then you hear the three guys come in and start to beat the shit out of him.
00:31:10.68
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Yeah. The, the whole interaction they had at the beginning with what he said and antagonizing them and all that felt a little, uh, contrived, uh, to get to, so why they’re going to attack to get them to move. You know what I’m saying?
00:31:26.08
Stephen Schneider
it It was like, to me, that whole beginning, the whole beginning here, the the attack and everything was probably the weakest part of the movie.
00:31:26.22
Rhys
Yeah.
00:31:33.83
Stephen Schneider
That was the part that I was like, eh, the rest of it. I liked
00:31:37.56
Rhys
Yeah. It, um, it’s really interesting. Right. With saying, um, that he thought the guy who played Jamie, um, Douglas booth did a great job. He’s like, it’s really difficult to play the coward in a movie.
00:31:55.21
Rhys
Because on almost any movie, you know, something happens and some guy steps up and he’s a big tough guy and he handles it, blah, blah, blah. And he’s like, almost never do they like cower in the corner.
00:32:06.85
Rhys
And so he really applauded the actor for, you know, embracing the role.
00:32:09.64
Stephen Schneider
That’s cool. Yeah.
00:32:13.41
Rhys
um She does the right thing. She locks the bathroom door and calls the police. And you know, that bathroom door is not going to hold, but it held long enough for the call to go through to the police
00:32:23.62
Stephen Schneider
Right.
00:32:24.36
Rhys
They drag her out. She pulls a knife from the kitchen and holds it on the one guy. And the guy, there’s there’s actually statistic somewhere out there. and It’s something like 85% of the people who say, well, just shoot me, end up shot.
00:32:42.25
Rhys
Which makes sense, right?
00:32:43.69
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:32:45.07
Rhys
She pulls the knife out and points it at the guy. And the guy drops his knife. He’s like, go ahead, do it. are you nice or are you nasty? And he like leans in. So the knife’s right under his chin. Um, and she can’t do it.
00:32:58.76
Rhys
Well, by then the police are coming. So they all run away and the two of them collapse on the floor and hold each other as they lament, which has happened to them.
00:33:09.05
Stephen Schneider
Right. Which was all his fault, but…
00:33:12.10
Rhys
Yeah, kind of.
00:33:13.38
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Many ways.
00:33:15.95
Rhys
Um, And I actually found this to be probably the most unsettling part of the whole film. but
00:33:22.53
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:33:22.58
Rhys
I mean, because this could actually happen, right?
00:33:23.70
Stephen Schneider
Homicidal creatures are, those are nothing.
00:33:28.28
Stephen Schneider
Exactly. Yeah. Well, that goes back to our thing. Define horror. What is horror? What makes you you scared? You know, I’ve been posting little things when I do stuff and I was asking the question, the one um movie I watched that was, uh, um,
00:33:44.05
Stephen Schneider
the the murders and stuff. And I said, this, it doesn’t seem like a horror movie to me. And somebody responded with, well, people are getting slaughtered. That’s horror. Okay. But that goes back to, that is not my definition of what makes a horror movie.
00:33:58.13
Stephen Schneider
It’s horrific. Yes, but not a horror movie.
00:33:59.99
Rhys
Go watch Saving Private Ryan. Lots of people are getting slaughtered there.
00:34:02.31
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Right. i say that That would mean every cowboy in ah Indian movie is a horror movie.
00:34:10.00
Rhys
Yeah.
00:34:10.08
Stephen Schneider
You know, it’s again, it’s a personal definition.
00:34:13.16
Rhys
Yeah. um We go from that. We fade. There is a stone wall with a wooden door and we’ there’s some ominous music and we’re kind of panning back from the door and there is an old lady there lying on the ground. She’s dead. Emergency iris service.
00:34:30.55
Rhys
Irish emergency services are there. They’re checking on her and Niamh is there. And then there’s something short in human watching there. You can tell it’s in human because they have that iris focus and it’s kind of fuzzy on the edges. And it seems to be crouching down, looking through a hole in the wall.
00:34:48.79
Rhys
It’s watching as they carry the body off and big red letters unwelcome. So
00:34:54.27
Stephen Schneider
Yes. And, and one of the things he does ah with both the movies we’ve watched is gets it to feel like the country, the culture area that he’s in.
00:35:07.88
Stephen Schneider
And for us American audiences, it looks different. So it gives it that fantastical feel, right? Just from things like you said, panning with the the garden and the stone wall and stuff, you know, I, the Banshees this year I saw with Colin Farrell,
00:35:25.80
Rhys
Yeah, right.
00:35:25.97
Stephen Schneider
And that had a lot of those paths with the rock walls and stuff. It’s like, well, yeah I don’t see that here. So it it gives it that feel and look of another country, another world, a glimpse into another culture thing, which for me as a dumb American audience makes it pretty cool.
00:35:44.55
Rhys
Well, and to dovetail with that, you have the next scene, you have a ferry traveling along the Antrim close, pulling into Lauren Harbor past the chain tower to like,
00:35:54.59
Stephen Schneider
yeah
00:35:55.54
Rhys
deliver them on the shores of Ireland.
00:35:58.02
Stephen Schneider
a boat ferry, not a woods ferry.
00:36:00.53
Rhys
Correct. Yes. We had this, we’ve had this problem in the past. Yes. A boat ferry traveling along. Um, they’re talking about how lovely Ireland is. He’s so excited to be there as you have this overhead shot as they’re driving along.
00:36:15.22
Rhys
um Maya’s like, Hey, let’s remember we’re here cause your aunt died. um so we find out that Maeve was his aunt and has left them the house and garden. um Which I thought, you know, as they’re as they’re sitting there talking, I’m like, oh, this is actually kind of a data dump.
00:36:32.23
Rhys
But it’s done in such a way that if you really only notice if you’re paying close attention, you’re like, oh, okay. They’re saying a whole lot of information in this small amount of time.
00:36:41.91
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Yeah. Right.
00:36:44.40
Rhys
um And then again, got to love the guy. He has an overhead shot of the house and the garden. And then just to show you how huge the forest is in the background behind that.
00:36:57.31
Stephen Schneider
right
00:37:00.19
Rhys
Neve meets them at the house to explain that there’s milk in the fridge and a full tank of gas um to power everything. Neve wanted to keep the place in the family.
00:37:13.14
Rhys
Neve didn’t know her well, but she said no one did, but she has something particular to show them. So they head into the garden. And she’s like, leave a blood offering at the gate right before sunset. It’s a slice of liver, some kind of raw meat.
00:37:28.29
Rhys
It’s for the little people, the red caps, not leprechauns. And Neve wants to do it for them, but they’re so gun shy about having people around their property. Maya’s like, I’ll do it.
00:37:42.13
Rhys
And she’s like, are you sure? Because this is like, we’re being serious here. And she’s, you know, no, promise I’ll do it.
00:37:50.04
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, but but you know you you already get that feeling. that is
00:37:53.83
Rhys
Yeah. um It turns out that Maeve did have a child, um but after her husband died of pneumonia, the child died.
00:38:04.64
Rhys
Maeve blamed herself for turning her back on the old ways. And so Neve wants to honor her to make sure that those offerings are done. Then she says, come to Phenisees, which is a pub she owns. um And right here is
00:38:16.52
Stephen Schneider
See, now if I go to Ireland, if I go to Ireland and ah um Kaylee’s still there with Phillip, they got to take me to some Irish pubs. I got to at least say I’ve been to an Irish pub. I told Colin, next time I come to Baltimore, we got to go to some good seafood restaurants and a couple good pubs or something.
00:38:33.90
Rhys
Get some crab cakes.
00:38:33.89
Stephen Schneider
You know? Yes.
00:38:37.42
Rhys
ah Because it’s a soundstage and Wright had complete control over the lighting, like this scene, you can really see that the lighting seems just too good.
00:38:47.22
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:38:47.33
Rhys
It’s like, that’s not how it is in real life. And it kind of gives the whole thing subliminally. You don’t even realize it. Like this dreamlike feel.
00:38:56.06
Stephen Schneider
I felt that. And I’m glad it was intentional and not just a problem that they didn’t correct. I was like, it it happened so often it had to be intentional.
00:39:06.49
Rhys
Yeah. There’s a move in montage with the song playing where Maya is putting things away. Like, you know, a doting mother to be will and Jamie’s like a child. He’s trying to fix things. He has no idea what he’s doing, that kind of thing.
00:39:22.73
Rhys
So um the song ends and Maya goes into the bedroom, fights off a pigeon that’s sitting on the windowsill and finds a picture of a little kid. And she collapses on the bed with Jamie and they’re looking at it. And he’s like, I remember that picture. She would always cross herself. It was on the hearth whenever she passed it.
00:39:39.86
Rhys
And so they figured this must be her child. And then you can see that there’s a hole right above the bed, which again, in Ireland would mean the entire room would be underwater by now.
00:39:50.87
Stephen Schneider
And not only that, but I don’t know how comfortable I’d feel sleeping with a hole above me in the the roof. You know, I mean, you might as well just go lay under a tree in the forest.
00:39:59.90
Rhys
but Well, yeah. um They’re driving into town. They pass a timber truck. It made me think of the hallow.
00:40:07.77
Stephen Schneider
Oh, yeah.
00:40:08.71
Rhys
There’s a big logging.
00:40:08.89
Stephen Schneider
Well, maybe that’s what they were. Maybe that’s what it was. They were on the way.
00:40:12.80
Rhys
They’re both in similar parts of the country where where they shot them. So, um yeah, it’s pretty scary island.
00:40:17.89
Stephen Schneider
it’s It’s a shared universe.
00:40:25.50
Rhys
ah They’re in the shop. buying stuff. Maya’s trying to find somebody to fix the roof. She’s not having any luck. The shopkeeper ah claims that Maeve had healing hands and helped him with his gout. and So all the groceries are on the house.
00:40:41.53
Rhys
So, you know, then me, I’d be like, Oh, hang on a second. I’m going to go grab some more stuff.
00:40:46.12
Stephen Schneider
And make sure you get that bloodied liver.
00:40:49.97
Rhys
Which she did not.
00:40:50.99
Stephen Schneider
No.
00:40:52.38
Rhys
um There’s two things that get mentioned. in this opening part that are literally just foreshadowing ironic phrases. um I’ll always be there to protect you. Jamie tells that to Maya.
00:41:04.89
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. I was like, well, let’s hit you. Let’s hit the audience over the head with this one.
00:41:09.53
Rhys
And then when they’re checking out, he’s like, everyone is so nice here. It’s like, okay.
00:41:16.74
Stephen Schneider
so
00:41:17.02
Rhys
Oh,
00:41:17.18
Stephen Schneider
So basically, Jamie’s only reason for this movie is to cause all the problems.
00:41:22.15
Rhys
kind of.
00:41:22.97
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:41:23.46
Rhys
Yeah. um You meet the Waylands now because they’ve found that, hey, these people do construction. They go to meet them in this Rottweiler and a chain comes running out from under their, their camper.
00:41:35.53
Rhys
um Owen comes out. He’s like eating something or anything. And we cut right to the pub.
00:41:42.16
Stephen Schneider
yeah
00:41:42.96
Rhys
They walk into the pub and everyone is staring at them. The entire pub just goes silent. They’re all staring.
00:41:48.35
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, so you get that impression of everyone’s maybe not so friendly and the Waylands, it’s good to know that other countries have trailer trash also. It’s not just an American concept.
00:41:59.82
Rhys
Well, then everyone’s like slouch and they all start clapping and it’s a big joke.
00:42:02.93
Stephen Schneider
no
00:42:03.50
Rhys
Welcome. And so they’re all sitting there.
00:42:03.89
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:42:06.66
Rhys
And of course, Lala Roddy playing Rory. Amazing. He’s just this drunk guy at the bar completely hammered. um They’re asking about the roof and he’s like, oh, the, the Whelans are going to work on it. And the whole pub goes quiet.
00:42:23.57
Rhys
And Rory’s like, they’ll be fine, ah but don’t leave your wife with the boys.
00:42:28.38
Stephen Schneider
the
00:42:28.92
Rhys
And he says so in such a manner that it’s offensive. And Nev kicks him out with this lovely phrase away and wash the back of your bollocks. So leave my place and go wash your testicles.
00:42:43.11
Stephen Schneider
we We need to make t-shirts for that.
00:42:45.65
Rhys
Yes. ah Maya doesn’t seem overly amused by the whole thing. The pub actually thought it was pretty funny that he got kicked out, but.
00:42:55.70
Rhys
Niamh asks about the red caps. Maya says she forgot. And she says, just let me do it. And she’s like, no, I’ll do it. And here’s why we were in London. We were attacked. We don’t like having people around. and Niamh’s like, it’s really important.
00:43:08.87
Rhys
And Maya’s like, you really believe this, don’t you? And she’s like, I saw one once. And then she talks about the concept that they aren’t happy little elves. They’re hungry.
00:43:19.57
Rhys
and they’ll be hungry if you don’t feed them.
00:43:21.91
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, I like, ah so so Colin and I went and saw a Death of a Unicorn and they portrayed the unicorns more like you hear about in mythology. They were savage and they were ah pretty mean creatures.
00:43:36.45
Stephen Schneider
I love when we get these mythologyic mythological creatures that are not Disney-fied, you know?
00:43:41.91
Rhys
Yes. Yeah. The, uh, hell boy, uh, tooth fairies.
00:43:45.89
Stephen Schneider
Yes, or the mermaids that was in Pirates of the Caribbean that were eating the pirates.
00:43:51.62
Rhys
Yeah. Well, when she says they’ll be hungry, cue to Rory walking his dog.
00:43:59.85
Rhys
Um, he’s singing this cheeky song called the ancient old French letter of Brian Beru. Brian Beru was, Kind of like the Irish version of King Arthur from around the 11th century.
00:44:12.69
Rhys
He actually unified the island. ah He was the high king. He kicked the Vikings out. So he was very, he’s well looked upon. ah The song they were singing, the ancient old French letter of Brian Beru is a French letter is a euphemism for a condom made of elk hide.
00:44:34.48
Rhys
um And so when he’s sitting there singing about finding a box that’s one foot long and four inches wide, you know, it’s…
00:44:43.06
Stephen Schneider
I kind of picked up on that.
00:44:43.28
Rhys
But the main line about it was that he he yeah basically, you know, tells the elves he doesn’t care about them, you know, because…
00:44:52.87
Stephen Schneider
i kind of picked up on the condom thing. I thought that was pretty funny, but I was wondering if you’ve lived in this area, you know about the red caps, you know, what are you doing night wandering around like this?
00:45:04.66
Rhys
Well, you know, when Colm sees them, he’s like, I can’t believe it. My mom always told me they existed, but I never believed her. And I think that’s kind of you know, what everyone’s running on. As he’s passing the church, you can see something’s up in the bell tower jumping from minaret to minaret.
00:45:18.04
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:45:19.03
Rhys
Yeah,
00:45:19.50
Stephen Schneider
I don’t know about you. I’ve been in the woods plenty of times at night and there are times that it’s a little freakier than others.
00:45:27.11
Rhys
yeah I suppose ah I’m much more ah concerned if I’m not around here.
00:45:35.64
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:45:35.76
Rhys
Cause I always put out to the kids.
00:45:36.61
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, definitely.
00:45:37.84
Rhys
I’m the most dangerous thing out here.
00:45:40.04
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:45:40.77
Rhys
So
00:45:41.75
Stephen Schneider
Well, we’ve got a coyote pack around us, I do watch out for that.
00:45:45.69
Rhys
yeah, they’re really smart. They don’t look for trouble. So,
00:45:48.73
Stephen Schneider
No, no, not at all. But I have caught them on our property on the trail cams, you know, and we got Hunter.
00:45:52.00
Rhys
Oh, sure. Yeah.
00:45:54.04
Stephen Schneider
I think just the smell of him keeps most of them away.
00:45:57.37
Rhys
Right. It’s like when the cat gets out, I’m like, dude, you’re taking your chances.
00:46:01.87
Stephen Schneider
yeah
00:46:02.05
Rhys
That’s all I got to say.
00:46:05.75
Rhys
Um, his dog Molly isn’t coming when he calls and then he finds this child crying in the woods and he’s like, what are you what are you now? And then all of a sudden it turns around. You don’t get to see what it is, but you get that monster vision again as he falls down and you think, Oh, something bad’s happening to poor Rory.
00:46:23.86
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, we’ve talked about this in past movies too. You don’t always have to show the creature because sometimes when you show the creature, it ruins the whole feel and effect of the horror movie.
00:46:34.91
Stephen Schneider
Sometimes that imagination can be used. And he did this several times through. Yes, we got to see them later, but a couple times, ah you know, to keep that illusion going, he did use things like this scene that I thought was really well done.
00:46:48.13
Rhys
Yeah. ah We cut to Maya yawning in the morning and there’s people downstairs. um And so they get up all worried and Jamie grabs a common, which is again, it’s a hurling stick.
00:47:02.85
Rhys
um And they head downstairs and it’s the wheelings in the kitchen and daddy wheelings telling them, you know, ah want this kitchen done, blah, blah, blah.
00:47:08.10
Stephen Schneider
making themselves at home,
00:47:13.94
Rhys
And he insists that Jamie and Maya call him daddy, which, um, they almost never do,
00:47:20.18
Stephen Schneider
which I don’t blame them one iota on that one.
00:47:22.71
Rhys
but you get to meet all the members of the family and what they’re all like. So, um, as they’re making small talk, Killian is sizing Jamie up, you know, he’s like, yeah, I think I could take him.
00:47:35.18
Rhys
Um, Owen is sitting there leering at Maya and, um, Ashling is openly flirting with Jamie. um it’s the whole family is just this giant dysfunctional mess.
00:47:47.61
Stephen Schneider
yes
00:47:50.20
Rhys
ah You go back to the store. They’re buying more stuff. Maya walks right past the liver and then remembers and goes back to buy it. Meanwhile, back at their house, the Whelan kids are going through all their stuff.
00:48:03.26
Rhys
Killian takes a giant dump. He’s rooting through stuff in their drawers. He takes the change out of a bowl. um Yeah, it’s just a big…
00:48:12.70
Stephen Schneider
And don’t forget, he finds her vibrator and licks it. but So that’s very disturbing.
00:48:20.70
Rhys
Yeah. In general, this is the nightmare everyone has of any contractor you ever hire.
00:48:26.81
Stephen Schneider
Exactly. Yeah.
00:48:27.73
Rhys
This is what they’re doing when I’m not lawyer?
00:48:30.16
Stephen Schneider
Again, what defines horror?
00:48:30.22
Rhys
It’s not what they’re doing. Yeah.
00:48:33.32
Stephen Schneider
Depends on the situation.
00:48:35.86
Rhys
They’re at the church with Father Brendan. ah Jamie has brought flowers. um Maya admits that she had an abortion in the past and she’s not sad about it because their lives would have been miserable. And he’s like, you know what? I can’t.
00:48:51.08
Rhys
accept that really well, but I hope you find peace here. um Jamie brought Maeve flowers for her grave. Sorry. Then it turns out that the child’s body was never found.
00:49:06.30
Rhys
And that just kind of hangs there for a second.
00:49:11.70
Rhys
On their way home, they see Neve out with the other townsfolk. They’re all searching for Rory. They’re more worried about his dog, Molly, because she’s been gone the whole time. So Maya brings up that the baby didn’t die of pneumonia and Maeve, Neve says, made a deal with the red caps to save her husband when he had pneumonia.
00:49:31.82
Rhys
She promised them her child. And so that’s why she was so intent on serving them.
00:49:39.08
Stephen Schneider
that
00:49:39.19
Rhys
And Maya says,
00:49:39.62
Stephen Schneider
That’s a, I mean, that’s a dark deal with the devil.
00:49:43.91
Rhys
Yeah, it kind of is. ah Maya says that mothers are capable of crazy shit. And you know, that’s, that’s her takeaway from this is.
00:49:51.64
Stephen Schneider
But I would have thought, you know, well, take the husband, leave me the kid. yeah Besides, he he’s got more to eat. you know.
00:49:59.02
Rhys
It’s true. ah the wheelings are sitting on their stoop when they get there smoking weed. My head’s upstairs. Cause she doesn’t want to deal with them. They start in on Jamie about English colonialism.
00:50:10.69
Rhys
You know what they’re saying? Isn’t wrong. Uh, But you know he’s like, I’m Irish. And they’re like, oh, what, quarter Irish? So now all of a sudden, in order to be Irish, you have to 100% you know you don’t deserve to be there.
00:50:25.38
Rhys
It’s it’s such a
00:50:26.95
Stephen Schneider
Well, we’ve got issues like that going on in our countries right now. So
00:50:32.00
Rhys
it’s such a dysfunctional argument to just basically position yourself in the right to take someone else’s stuff is really what it boils down to.
00:50:40.06
Stephen Schneider
yeah. Yeah. And, and you know, you see bullies do that type of crap all the time. The the reasoning they use so that they’re right. Even how screwed up it can be.
00:50:49.83
Rhys
Yeah. Maya’s getting ready for her bath and she’s experiencing flashbacks from the attack in London. And then she notices that Eowyn or Owen is on top of a ladder watching her through the window.
00:51:01.88
Rhys
And she shrieks and you have ah hard cut to the kids all sitting in a truck and daddy wheeling standing there saying, I’m going to beat the kids when I get home. You know my wife could do it with a word, but you know, I, got to,
00:51:12.35
Stephen Schneider
ah
00:51:17.74
Rhys
um It turns out they’re not great handymen either because Jamie opens a cupboard and it just basically falls apart in his hands.
00:51:23.66
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, I think I could probably do better. And that’s saying something.
00:51:27.87
Rhys
Yeah, so he goes to burn off some of his anger on a punching bag.
00:51:31.89
Stephen Schneider
And that’s, again, that whole opening attack where he antagonized him, but wasn’t able to do a single thing to defend himself. And now he’s so pissed off about it. He’s always beaten this heavy bag.
00:51:45.68
Stephen Schneider
yeah It was, i don’t know. It just seemed a little weird for him for him to be doing, ah you know, to me.
00:51:53.20
Rhys
Yeah, i I really think it’s one of those things where like he has the extra energy, he’s going to burn it off, he’s going to do this, but we see when you know when you get down to brass tacks, he just doesn’t have the heart for it.
00:52:04.64
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:52:05.13
Rhys
For combat in general.
00:52:07.61
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:52:08.11
Rhys
oh
00:52:08.09
Stephen Schneider
You know, he gets cornered and it’s like, dude, that’s, that’s the time to let loose a little bit.
00:52:13.06
Rhys
Yeah.
00:52:13.93
Stephen Schneider
Not on the heavy bag later. Cause you’re mad that you didn’t let loose.
00:52:17.84
Rhys
Yeah. We get another amazing aerial shot. Maya is putting a plate with liver down out by the little hole next to the gate. And then she sees the gate open. So she goes over and looks and then closes the gate and goes back in the plates empty when she gets back to the hole.
00:52:32.20
Stephen Schneider
And it’s really interesting because it’s like a wall before the forest with the gate, but it’s not like it goes forever. It’s just a little like a section to partition it off.
00:52:41.08
Rhys
Yeah.
00:52:42.85
Stephen Schneider
and And it made it seem like there’s a whole different realm through the gate rather than going around it. Like you end up in a different spot. Like you said, it’s very Alice in Wonderland like. And I just kept getting that feeling like through that gate, magic changes things.
00:52:59.19
Rhys
Yeah. Yeah. And there’s actually a visual cue for that coming up here in a bit.
00:53:03.64
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Yeah. But that he did a good job of making it feel that way. That’s what I got right from the beginning on it.
00:53:10.06
Rhys
Yeah. The scaffolding arrives. The wheel ends are starting to set it up. Oh, and puts one through the window. Jamie loses it. Maya’s trying to settle the whole situation or down. like trying to get him to settle down and Killian to settle down. And then Colm Whelan comes around the corner just starts beating the shit out of Owen.
00:53:29.92
Rhys
and she tries to settle him down and she calls him daddy while she’s doing that.
00:53:33.87
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:53:34.44
Rhys
She’s like, please, daddy, just calm down. um She kind of diffuses the situation. They go inside and it turns out she’s mad at Jamie too for like being so ridiculous as to be blowing up at the fact that yes, they broke a window.
00:53:50.29
Stephen Schneider
we We fixed five things, but broke 20.
00:53:50.56
Rhys
she takes a that’s right She takes a basket and heads to the back of the garden by the gate to pull some weeds.
00:53:52.27
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:53:59.13
Rhys
And she hears a dog and thinks it might be Molly. So Rory might be a back there. So she goes through to see if she can help him. And when she walks through the gate and then so in the woods, there’s a little rainbow lens flare that goes across the screen.
00:54:13.02
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:13.57
Rhys
So now you know something’s different.
00:54:15.77
Stephen Schneider
yeah
00:54:18.61
Rhys
um she’s impressed by the florist. It’s huge. It’s dark. It’s dense. You get some suspenseful music and a follow camera. And if you listen really close, there’s little beastie chuckling noises in the background.
00:54:33.89
Rhys
And then Molly shows up and she’s like, Oh, Molly. And she seems to be leading Maya further into the forest.
00:54:40.81
Stephen Schneider
and Because we all know you can’t kill the dog in the movie.
00:54:45.45
Rhys
Well, that was, when Rory left with the dog and, you know, it was getting dark. I’m like, Oh, the dog, poor Steve, the dog. Nope. It was the owner this time.
00:54:54.85
Stephen Schneider
Go ahead, eat the owner. and that i if i if i
00:54:58.05
Rhys
um
00:55:00.43
Stephen Schneider
i didn’t pay enough attention, but I believe it was a Border Collie, which is a common sheep herding dog ah that they that is used.
00:55:09.70
Rhys
I don’t, it didn’t look purebred to me. It looked like it might have some shepherd in it. So I think it was kind of a little bit of a mutt, but yeah.
00:55:13.59
Stephen Schneider
Maybe. Maybe. But it looked like it had some at least.
00:55:18.45
Rhys
Yeah. With Maya gone, Calm just starts to beat and kick the crap out of Owen and it tells him to get off the site. And if you’re not here, not back here, by the time we leave, you’re walking home.
00:55:31.20
Rhys
um There’s some amazing camera work as Maya’s moving through the woods, just making it seem like everything’s moving. You’re like tunnel visioned.
00:55:40.04
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:55:40.78
Rhys
mean, she sees a little house in the woods. And she walks up to it and there’s little particulates floating in the air. And she thinks Rory might be in there. And she looks down there and Molly’s down there barking.
00:55:53.62
Rhys
um But it smells in there and it scares her. And she’s like, I’m i’m not going down there. It’s just not happening. and
00:56:00.02
Stephen Schneider
Right. It’s it’s in going like underground-ish.
00:56:04.43
Rhys
Yeah. Yeah. It’s not where, not spiral stairs going up.
00:56:05.70
Stephen Schneider
ye
00:56:07.28
Rhys
They go down into the ground.
00:56:08.00
Stephen Schneider
Right. Yeah.
00:56:09.20
Rhys
We all know what happens when take spiral stairs downstairs.
00:56:09.62
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:56:11.80
Rhys
Just ask Turkish police officers. They’ll tell you.
00:56:14.98
Stephen Schneider
Right.
00:56:15.08
Rhys
Nothing good.
00:56:16.43
Stephen Schneider
Stephen King just wrote a whole story with that.
00:56:21.05
Rhys
um She runs into Owen in the woods on the way back and you feel badly for him as they start talking. He’s like, they all think I’m stupid. They all hate me, but bla blah, blah, blah. She’s just being nice.
00:56:32.46
Rhys
um And then it turns into like, he grabs her wrists and he won’t let go. and again, you know, the guy’s six, 10.
00:56:41.12
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, he probably weighs a good 300 pounds, if not more.
00:56:44.11
Rhys
Yeah. And so like she’s struggling against him. There’s a fight. And then all of a sudden there’s a cut and Maya is back in the backyard. There’s a new lens flare.
00:56:56.77
Rhys
And then she’s upstairs talking to Jamie.
00:56:59.77
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, you know you know something really bad happened because they cut all of that. They didn’t show it.
00:57:05.17
Rhys
Yeah.
00:57:05.56
Stephen Schneider
they didn’t yeah and And her face and the way she acted afterwards ah were like stone-faced and in shock, very much so.
00:57:14.51
Rhys
Yeah, this is not a French movie where they’re going to make you watch all that. They cut that.
00:57:17.79
Stephen Schneider
yeah right
00:57:21.44
Rhys
So um she’s there. She’s like, I have something to show you. And you’re like, what in the world happened?
00:57:28.72
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, there’s no way she could have fought him off. there’s There’s just no way. She’s, you know, just recently been pregnant and she’s like half his size or so.
00:57:39.21
Rhys
Yeah, for sure. um So she takes him out into the woods. And she explains that she was fighting um Owen and yelling for help and that the Red Caps came and saved her.
00:57:52.20
Rhys
um He’s like, i don’t know what you’re talking about right now. you’re You’re talking crazy. And then he freaks out on her um because he had to sit and watch her get attacked in London.
00:58:04.04
Rhys
um And does she know how that felt, having to sit there and watch? Well, she was being attacked. So, Yeah. And in fact, she was sitting in the bathroom listening to them attack you.
00:58:10.86
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, again, yeah again you you start to really get this feeling of, she could probably do better.
00:58:13.91
Rhys
So she actually knows exactly how that feels.
00:58:24.10
Rhys
Well, in the end, you could argue that she does.
00:58:27.00
Stephen Schneider
Oh, that’s true.
00:58:28.95
Rhys
um
00:58:30.60
Stephen Schneider
Or maybe he drove her to the end and like you did everything else in the movie. Yeah.
00:58:36.18
Rhys
ah So they had they head back to the house and he’s like, I’m going to the pub. He’s had it. So he goes to the pub, he’s reading a book on Cobb McDaw, you know, which obviously, I don’t know, reading a book in a pub about martial arts just doesn’t quite seem like that’s going to get you there.
00:58:47.08
Stephen Schneider
like like you do.
00:58:54.21
Rhys
but
00:58:55.09
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, and I love that it wasn’t just like an illustrated magazine or something. it was like a full novel-sized book.
00:59:01.01
Rhys
A novel, yeah.
00:59:02.45
Stephen Schneider
I’m like, what are you going to learn reading you that much words on Krav Maga? Yeah, that was weird, but.
00:59:08.16
Rhys
Yeah. He’s sitting in the pub and Killian and Ashlyn come over and ask him where Ellen is. And, um, you know, he’s like, I don’t know. And Ashlyn’s like, I can tell he’s, he’s not lying, but he’s not telling us everything.
00:59:23.90
Rhys
And even while Killian’s threatening him, she’s hitting on him. Um, and then Neve comes over and just kicks him out. You’re, you’re barred, get out. And then she gets him a new, a new Guinness.
00:59:37.01
Rhys
Um, Maya’s back at the house. She’s getting a drink and we get this flashback about what happened with Owen. He’s there attacking her. And then all of a sudden he’s just drug away through the forest, like clawing at the forest floor as they’re taking him away.
00:59:46.86
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
00:59:49.54
Stephen Schneider
And again, we don’t really see them yet. So it’s not ruining any illusions.
00:59:56.33
Rhys
That’s true. Um, she’s moving through the house and as she does, she sees the front door. This hand reaches through the letter box and reaches over. Oh wait, no, no, the this is the French, the French doors in the other room.
01:00:10.66
Stephen Schneider
Right.
01:00:10.77
Rhys
She sees them open and and this thing comes in and oh my gosh, it’s like 18 to 24 inch little man with a red cap and a shop at plastic shopping bag in his hand.
01:00:23.90
Rhys
Um, And as he comes in, he says something like, shh, mama, wake the baby. They have this weird stunted way of communicating.
01:00:33.16
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. And I could, ah i I mean, obviously ah he could have done it in, you know, Gaelic or something and then subtitles or some form of that, but making them talk like this still gave it that feel of not human, not normal.
01:00:34.06
Rhys
ah
01:00:50.94
Rhys
Yeah. And I think it helps bridge a gap.
01:00:54.93
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
01:00:55.07
Rhys
with them being able to slightly speak our language makes it seem like it’s a second language to them, but it helps, helps them explain things.
01:01:03.02
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, it’s an easier way, I’m sure, to film something like this.
01:01:03.48
Rhys
So
01:01:07.96
Rhys
yeah. Um, the lens flare happens as he’s leaving, she’s trying to take pictures on her phone, but you know, that natural cryptid filter is going to kick in. You won’t be able to see anything.
01:01:15.58
Stephen Schneider
Yep. Yeah, they got it really got to turn that auto filter off of our cameras now.
01:01:21.07
Rhys
Yeah. um Jamie leaves the pub. He’s walking home. When he gets her, Maya’s in the hall. She shows him this bag. um He looks in. There’s a head in it.
01:01:32.09
Rhys
It’s Owen’s head. um And he’s blaming her. i don’t know how in the world she gets a head off of a 300 pound man to stick in plastic bag. But um she’s trying to show him the pictures.
01:01:41.52
Stephen Schneider
right
01:01:45.25
Rhys
And of course, you know, they’re all wavy and crazy. um And while they’re debating who’s at fault here, the Wayland show up. And Colm’s out there at the door with his kids and he’s asking where Owen is.
01:01:57.43
Rhys
Jamie pretends to call the police and they pretend to leave.
01:02:01.16
Stephen Schneider
Oh my God. That was like ah Bugs Bunny type of kids going on.
01:02:07.47
Rhys
Yeah. They, they’re both locking things up, ignoring the fact that there’s ladders scaffolding and a giant hole in your roof. I, you can’t, um, Maya goes out the window with Owen’s head and Aisling sees her and whistles and she startles her and she drops the bag and then runs through the woods.
01:02:26.45
Rhys
And Aisling takes the bag to calm. And he’s like, oh, that’s it.
01:02:31.87
Stephen Schneider
He’s a little upset.
01:02:31.94
Rhys
And so, yes. So he just kicks in the door. He Aisling come in and he tells her to break stuff up and she’s happily obliging. She’s smashing the TV tables, whatever she take her crowbar to.
01:02:47.62
Rhys
He’s holding a bottle with flaming liquid with a rag and basically Molotov cocktail lights his cigar off of it, lights some curtains on fire and then smashes it on the floor, lighting the whole house on fire.
01:02:53.60
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
01:03:00.08
Stephen Schneider
And she just keeps busting things in other rooms.
01:03:03.29
Rhys
Yeah.
01:03:04.02
Stephen Schneider
That’s dedication.
01:03:05.84
Rhys
Jamie pretty smartly throws a ton of stuff in the stairwell, which is a great way to slow things down.
01:03:10.60
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
01:03:12.13
Rhys
But again, hole in the roof. um So while he’s up there, Killian drops down through the hole in the roof and stabs him in the back. He manages to get the knife out from Killian and they kind of fight. And then he stabs Killian in the abdomen.
01:03:32.22
Rhys
And then he’s like, oh I’m sorry. I’m so sorry. And it’s like, what what are you apologizing for?
01:03:37.39
Stephen Schneider
No, no. What you really should have done is pulled it out and stabbed him a second time. Not just, yes.
01:03:43.43
Rhys
Several times. Yes.
01:03:49.69
Rhys
So um Killian just starts to kick the crap out of him. He’s like, are you crying? He’s like, if you’re going to cry like a woman, you’re going to, I don’t know, something about something, some misogynistic BS.
01:04:01.95
Stephen Schneider
Right.
01:04:04.73
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:05.43
Rhys
And he just starts kicking the crap out of him. Maya actually goes to the hut in the woods um and is imploring them for help. and though She’ll give them whatever they want.
01:04:17.47
Rhys
Turns out that, you know, ah She doesn’t actually mean that.
01:04:22.98
Stephen Schneider
She couldn’t even give him liver.
01:04:23.02
Rhys
Because what they want. Yes. Colm wants Owen’s body so he can bury him. He snipes at Killian for stabbing Jamie in the back. He’s like, oh you know, you’re quite the hero. And then he sticks his fingers in the wounds.
01:04:38.80
Rhys
um And Jamie’s like, it was the fair jerk. And Colm’s like, what in the world are you talking about? And then we see Aisling downstairs smashing stuff up while it’s on fire. And all of a sudden the flames all go out like instantly.
01:04:53.04
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, that was pretty cool.
01:04:54.75
Rhys
There’s a lens flare. You’re like, Oh,
01:04:58.79
Stephen Schneider
Just exactly like that. Uh-oh.
01:05:00.61
Rhys
yes. She walks out of the house. Cause it’s full of smoke. Sees Maya in the garden. Maya starts to go into labor. Aisling starts to attack her at the same time that Killian starts to attack Jamie upstairs.
01:05:16.27
Rhys
um Colm tells Jamie to just kill him. And Jamie’s like, really? Like, yeah, can i He’s like, it’s time you’re a man. um and he gets this knife out and he gets it underneath his chin. And they’re like trading back and forth as Jamie begs for his life. And Killian’s like, no, I’m going to kill you now.
01:05:36.85
Rhys
um And then they hear something on the roof. And that’s right.
01:05:40.74
Stephen Schneider
Remember hole in the seat roof.
01:05:43.32
Rhys
It works two ways. ah The red cap drops down and plunges a knife into Jamie’s back repeatedly. um And this is, you know, my whole thing with horror movies. Oh, that would kill you.
01:05:56.22
Rhys
This doesn’t really seem to stop Killian much at all. And he got stabbed a good three or four times.
01:06:02.18
Stephen Schneider
Psychos. And, and,
01:06:03.59
Rhys
Colm hit.
01:06:04.83
Stephen Schneider
All I’m saying here is if a piece of liver a day gives you this type of protection, hell, I’ve got a forest, up along fall a little bit of trees. I’m going to start leaving liver out.
01:06:16.04
Rhys
Hell yeah, man. Uh, Colm hits it with a hurling stick. It goes flying and he and Jamie are contemplating what it is. There’s another one on the roof and it throws a dagger, um, into Jamie.
01:06:28.17
Rhys
And then the one on the bed throws one into Colm. And just before he crushes its skull, it says, no, no, daddy. No. And here’s, here’s a little twist to the plot, which I don’t think he intended, but what if,
01:06:45.23
Rhys
If they take you back into the woods, you come back as one of them.
01:06:51.29
Stephen Schneider
Could be.
01:06:52.15
Rhys
And so that was actually Owen’s soul trapped in red cap’s body.
01:06:57.06
Stephen Schneider
o that’s a great theory. i like that one. Or what if, uh, uh, Komeni’s character knew about him and he had like fostered a million, like Genghis Khan.
01:07:09.47
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
01:07:12.26
Rhys
tons of them.
01:07:13.43
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
01:07:14.11
Rhys
Um, Ashlyn’s out there choking Maya in the yard and suddenly she finds herself surrounded by red caps and she’s like still being kind of sassy and they just tackle her. Um, Jamie’s trying to get down the steps, having to crawl over all that stuff.
01:07:29.12
Rhys
Not Jamie. Killian’s trying to get down the steps, trying to crawl over all that stuff that Jamie put there. And as he gets down there, another one comes into the house. So he grabs it, runs into the kitchen and grabs a meat cleaver and then buries it into its skull when it comes into the kitchen.
01:07:44.09
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
01:07:45.00
Rhys
Yeah. But then two more tackle him. It’s, it’s a question of numbers really at this point, because while two of them are tackling him, four of them hold Aisling down and the, a fifth one plunges a blade into her abdomen and just basically cuts her open.
01:07:50.29
Stephen Schneider
yeah
01:08:03.90
Rhys
And then he turns to the rest them and says, who wants to see me torture her again?
01:08:09.41
Rhys
um She stands up and she’s holding her insides in before she collapses in a pile. Again, from a biological standpoint, I think if I’ve severed your abdominal muscles, you aren’t standing up.
01:08:20.23
Rhys
But, you know, horror movie, it’s okay.
01:08:20.49
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, but…
01:08:24.39
Rhys
Colm’s getting a gun. He’s getting the gun out of the back of his truck. And as he’s doing it, Killian runs past him, gets in the truck, shuts the door and tries to start it. And as Colm comes up to the window, he’s like, look what they did to me, Dad. Look what they did. And one pops up from the back seat and just slices his throat.
01:08:43.29
Rhys
At this point.
01:08:43.40
Stephen Schneider
I love how, uh, uh, daddy Waylon. He’s so upset, but he has no problem running away and not trying to protect his kids.
01:08:51.09
Rhys
Yes. Yes. In fact, as, as Killian hits the ground, he cradles his body as he’s dying. He’s like, I love, ah I’m proud of you, son. I never said it, but I’m proud of you. Like great time for a breakthrough.
01:09:02.86
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Therapy over.
01:09:06.01
Rhys
Jamie is crawling out from under the bed. Now. um then he remembers that he has a pregnant wife and he’s like, Oh my gosh. um So he runs out into the yard with his pan and the red caps are there eating Ashling.
01:09:18.08
Rhys
I mean, he hits one in the pan in the head with a pan and it simply tells him no hitty, which kind of leads it back to that whole they’re impervious to human strength because it didn’t seem to bother it at all.
01:09:27.56
Stephen Schneider
Right. Yeah. Cause a minute ago one got his head split open.
01:09:32.49
Rhys
Yeah. um Maya tells him not to because they’re helping.
01:09:38.04
Rhys
Colm shows up in the backyard and he shoots one of them. And they seem to kind of scatter. And he asked what they did to his beautiful angel. And Jamie gets up and basically just is like, calm. Let’s settle this as men and like puts up his fists and Cole just shoots him in the shoulder.
01:09:54.89
Rhys
ah Now he was saying those were slugs. And at that range, I’m pretty sure he would be missing a left arm, but it knocks him down.
01:10:00.73
Stephen Schneider
probably
01:10:04.34
Rhys
And then he starts this whole soliloquy about his mom told him that there were red caps, but he thought they were just made up stories as he’s reloading. And he’s down to birdshot and he’s like, I’ve got to get close and I got to get good and close to kill you with this.
01:10:16.64
Rhys
Otherwise it’s just going to hurt.
01:10:18.82
Stephen Schneider
He’s monologuing.
01:10:19.04
Rhys
And then it, yeah. Then he’s like, ah but I’m just going to shoot your baby. You’ll survive. But you took my kids and I’m going to take yours. And then out of nowhere comes Molly, the dog.
01:10:33.27
Rhys
who jumps up and attacks him.
01:10:36.11
Stephen Schneider
Good old dog.
01:10:37.55
Rhys
He’s fighting with Molly. And while he does, he stops and look back and Maya’s holding the gun, pointing at him. And she’s like, is this close enough? And she shoots him in the face. And it must’ve been, cause he is dead.
01:10:48.07
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Yeah, that was a good line. I mean, you know, you got to like the cheesy lines added in there at times. You know, i come from Commando as ah early movies, so…
01:10:58.85
Rhys
Yeah. Um, The red caps are dragging the bodies into the woods, talking about a feast. um Jamie starts helping with the, with the home delivery because Maya is giving birth to a child now and the sun is rising and may is still liberating, laboring in the house.
01:11:18.38
Rhys
And then we see this car going down the road. She gives birth to a baby girl. You’re like, Oh, is this like the end of the movie? yeah Everything’s happy. Well, no, it keeps going. Cause I keep thinking like a mama, right. Where I’m like,
01:11:31.11
Rhys
who’s going to explain all this to the authorities? I’m like, if this is the end of the movie, there’s a lot of explaining to do. A whole family’s gone missing in their trucks at your house.
01:11:38.70
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, but I don’t know if many people will miss the family.
01:11:41.53
Rhys
That’s true.
01:11:42.09
Stephen Schneider
And, you know, actually thinking about what you just said about their souls, you know, becoming red caps. So maybe two, Unwelcome Two will be that whole family coming back against the town for revenge.
01:11:53.77
Rhys
Oh,
01:11:57.02
Rhys
um, Here’s just Jamie going to the store. He’s all bundled up to try and hide what a mess he is. But the store owners likes to cut yourself shaving. And he’s like, something like that.
01:12:05.91
Stephen Schneider
but yeah
01:12:08.88
Rhys
Cause you know, he’s been stabbed in the back. He’s been shot in the shoulder and his face has been beat in.
01:12:13.61
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, he might need to change his shirt.
01:12:14.52
Rhys
And you have that. Yeah. You have this quiet moment of Denouement as Jamie’s lying on the bed, staring at the ceiling and Maya’s looking at the baby and everything seems perfect.
01:12:25.99
Rhys
And then Jamie’s like, I’m going to start boarding up windows, broken windows. And then he’s going to clean ah Whaley’s van. And he puts on his headphones with noise canceling. And he gets a pressure washer and he starts cleaning it.
01:12:38.01
Rhys
Maya goes into the bathroom. You get a lens flare and a giggle and a cry. And she comes back and the baby’s gone.
01:12:44.98
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
01:12:45.84
Rhys
She goes running out into the backyard. She’s crawling for Jamie, but he can’t hear because he’s got his headphones on.
01:12:53.28
Rhys
So um she runs to the hut and we get to see what’s in the hut. A lot of times they don’t you don’t get to see what’s down there.
01:13:01.86
Stephen Schneider
yeah
01:13:02.68
Rhys
And she goes down and everything as small as it would be. You have this central chamber. It’s lit with candles and there’s all kinds of human bones lying around. And she turns this corner to find this ancient wizened old figure of a woman sitting in a chair with the baby at her feet.
01:13:18.48
Stephen Schneider
Now this whole scene and everything in here definitely upped the creepiness and the weird factor for the whole movie. And I mean, it felt a lot like Baskin in some ways ah near the end, the same type of thing.
01:13:31.99
Stephen Schneider
ah I mean, the movie had a good horrific feel to it and all that, but this just like almost warped it, you know, it took it to the next level. I must say ah ah kudos to,
01:13:42.99
Rhys
It did, and it was a surprise because, you know, when you hear that Maeve gave her child up to them, you’re just assuming they’re eating them. And that’s not the case.
01:13:52.07
Stephen Schneider
Right.
01:13:52.80
Rhys
This is Maeve’s child.
01:13:55.23
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
01:13:55.35
Rhys
And in fact, Maya says, give me back my baby. The figure says my babby because she speaks the language of the red caps.
01:14:06.81
Stephen Schneider
Right.
01:14:07.43
Rhys
She’s a human, but she doesn’t she was raised by red caps. um Maya protests and all kinds of red caps come out from various doorways. They’ve got knives drawn. And um the, the lady’s like this, this would happen to me. And you, you make the connection. It’s Maeve’s kid. She’s holding the same ah teddy bear from the photograph.
01:14:29.74
Rhys
And Maya offers herself as a substitute for the baby. And, and the mother figure says, Oh, you’re too old.
01:14:37.99
Rhys
And so.
01:14:38.28
Stephen Schneider
so at least At least this movie figured out not to do that when they’re too old. Star Wars couldn’t. They took Anakin. Look what happened there. so
01:14:45.49
Rhys
Yeah. So, you know, moms do crazy shit. She said earlier, she grabs a skull, throws it at the red cap that’s between her and the baby.
01:14:56.29
Rhys
It knocks him back. She grabs his knife, puts it to his chin and re-asks the same question she was asked in London. Am I nice or am I nasty? And she proves she’s nasty as she puts it through into his brain.
01:15:09.28
Stephen Schneider
And it’s a good thing it was the mother because if it was Jamie, that would not have happened.
01:15:14.29
Rhys
Yeah, you can have the baby. um And then she goes into the mother figure and just gouges her eyes out until she dies. And you’re like, oh my God, all those red caps, what’s going to happen?
01:15:22.69
Stephen Schneider
Yeah.
01:15:24.64
Rhys
And she turns around, they’re all bowing down and worshiping her.
01:15:28.90
Stephen Schneider
it’s It’s the right of succession here.
01:15:31.18
Rhys
It is. Jamie suddenly realizes something’s wrong. He goes into the house and he finds the baby on the floor and and Maya’s missing. So he goes outside and he sees all of the fair jerk surrounding Maya in the backyard.
01:15:47.55
Rhys
As she stands in the yard, telling him he’s just in time, they’re going to declare her the mother red cap. And the sky turns red and a skull comes floating in from somewhere because she has to be wearing the blood of her foes.
01:16:01.55
Rhys
And it pours blood all down her face. And i you and I were talking about this earlier and I was saying, it reminded me of the end of, um, Eli Roth’s, um
01:16:14.07
Rhys
evil dead except they use a lot more blood there but i mean it pours down and then it starts to rain the lighting again super surreal pushed to the nines jamie starts to cry and then he starts smiling at her nodding um and she is reveling in her new position as the mother red cap she looks right down the barrel of the lens roll credits and
01:16:15.52
Stephen Schneider
Right, right, the remake.
01:16:41.23
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, that was the the ending was very unexpected and took such a twist into the surreal ah compared to every.
01:16:49.08
Rhys
That would so thrill him because he really wanted it to be… That’s why he likened it to Midsommar and Hereditary. He’s like, the ending you just couldn’t possibly see coming.
01:16:59.59
Rhys
And he wanted to do that with this.
01:16:59.74
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Yeah, it definitely you know broke the mold on that. I’ll give it that.
01:17:05.35
Rhys
He sees this as a happy ending.
01:17:09.84
Rhys
So…
01:17:10.78
Stephen Schneider
Well, I guess from a certain point of view, yeah.
01:17:13.22
Rhys
I mean, Jamie has his daughter and the protection of fairy folk who live in his backyard. i don’t know that he sees his wife much.
01:17:24.65
Stephen Schneider
No. Well, it’s probably better for her than him.
01:17:28.75
Rhys
As I was leafing through my notes, I came across Housewife and I’m like, wow, the ending of this was very similar. You have like this apocalyptic ending scene with a mother and her child.
01:17:41.20
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, except it wasn’t some ah ah big eldritch horror. It was very localized.
01:17:44.91
Rhys
Right. Right.
01:17:46.49
Stephen Schneider
Yeah, good good movie. I mean, it was not what I expected at all. I had no idea what to expect. you know And even from the name, yeah it’s hard, but you you start thinking, oh, the there go battle with the rest.
01:17:52.27
Rhys
Yes.
01:17:58.59
Stephen Schneider
And it did not. It went in a different direction. ah So yeah, definitely definitely unexpected there.
01:18:05.35
Rhys
Yes. Glad I saw it. Not at all what I thought it was going to be.
01:18:09.07
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Yeah. So that’s a good one to go see, or, you know, I think it’s on prime. I think that’s where it was for anyone that wants to see it. So I’m welcome. All right.
01:18:18.88
Rhys
Yep.
01:18:18.91
Stephen Schneider
And then we’ve got one more in our season before our bonus.
01:18:22.93
Rhys
That’s right. We’ve got Takashi Miike. There’s a billion of his movies we could have picked. I just went with one missed call ah because it’s a very standard popcorn take your date to see horror movie by the guy who gave us audition.
01:18:38.03
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. Yeah. And that wasn’t disturbing at all. ah So yeah, I look forward to seeing this one and there is an American remake, which I may watch after and and see how bad it is compared to it.
01:18:48.22
Rhys
Yeah, it wasn’t bad.
01:18:51.73
Stephen Schneider
Okay. Yeah.
01:18:52.72
Rhys
How many many times did we say that in the first season? It wasn’t bad.
01:18:56.98
Stephen Schneider
Right. So, all right.
01:18:58.44
Rhys
yeah
01:18:59.53
Stephen Schneider
So ah we’ll end the season with that and then we’ll ah look at our bonus, which is going to be exciting. And then on to another season.
01:19:05.02
Rhys
Oh, yeah.
01:19:06.62
Stephen Schneider
Yeah. So, all right, Reese.
01:19:07.60
Rhys
Awesome.
01:19:08.90
Stephen Schneider
Thanks, man.
01:19:09.82
Rhys
Yep.
01:19:10.77
Stephen Schneider
Have a great day.
01:19:11.75
Rhys
You too.
