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What everyone wants for Christmas and our Christmas gift to you – the 2023 Halloween bonus episode! It’s so good, we couldn’t get it out in a timely manner, so you get it at Christmas. Whatever.

This is like our 4th time doing our marathon, and we have some great movies we watch and discuss.

Phantom of the Paradise – maybe not everyone’s cup of tea, but a fun 70’s parody. Everyone should see it and then travel to Canada for the big festival they have around the movie.

The Void – a really good Lovecraft movie that was crowdfunded, and they did remarkably well.

The Boogeyman – the new Stephen King movie based on an old short story. Much better than we would have bet on. The actor that played little Leia is so good in this.

While you’d have to be hear to listen to our witty banter during the movies, we give you a good over view of them in case you want to have your own Halloween horror fest.


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Stephen: Welcome to November. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. We’ll talk about the three movies, your normal opening spiel, and then comments and just general thoughts, and then we’ll just move to the next one.

Sounds good. My thoughts on yeah. Yeah. Alright. So bonus episode time, Halloween twenty twenty Three.

And the funny thing is we’ve we did a bonus last year. Now this is the third time we’ve got or fourth time we’ve gotten together for our Halloween marathon. We did last year, but we recorded everything. And then it was on old high eight tapes, which take more effort to get into the essentially, it’s been sitting here for a year with me going, I really should take care of that sometime. So now I’ve actually started it, but I realized nobody wants to sit and listen to twenty minutes of silence waiting for us to say something and then not know what we context to what we were talking about because they couldn’t hear all the movie or see the movie or okay.

So doing a little different this year. We did have our marathon, and that much. Three really good movies. And you have your usual in-depth insights into the movies, and then we’re gonna talk a little bit about each one without doing our full length analysis and going over different things. It is a bonus.

It’s fun. We love doing our marathons, so it all works out.

Rhys: It does. It does. And if you really wanna hear last year’s, just send Steve, a self addressed stamped envelope with thirty dollars, and we’ll send you a VHS tape in a clamshell.

Stephen: No. No. No. I actually have got it transferred. I just have to go through and edit it, and I will get it out.

So you’ll see the twenty twenty three Halloween special bonus episode, then you’ll see the twenty twenty two Halloween, Sebastian, and West. That’s pretty typical of how we operate.

Rhys: Yeah. It’s the twenty twenty two is far more academic than this one. This was much more Just, hey.

Let’s pick some stuff and do fun stuff. Yeah. Not that the last year was bad, but

Stephen: No, they’ve all been good. A lot of the movies that I’ve never heard of, When we watch them, I’m like, wow. I was watching it for a specific reason, not just noise in the background.

A lot of times when it’s noise in the background, you don’t give it the extra attention it may need. It’s when we were in the band, we pick a song to cover. And I’m like I really hate that song, but everyone else wants to do it, so I’ll do it. And by the end, I’m like, wow. This is a great song.

Yeah. Same here. We’re watching it for a reason. Makes it better.

Rhys: Yeah. And this year, We did three movies, and we started with one because it has come up in conversation on this podcast several times. Yeah. And it was recommended to us by two famous people.

Stephen: And that’s you know, the whole reason it’s come up several times is just so I can name drop. That’s just the only way. Let me do that again, the story for those listening that are like, Okay. What’s this? The plan.

COlin and I went to a paranormal cryptid type conference in Rhode Island. He was doing a talk there, but the special guest for the weekend was Dean Haglund who played Langley X Files. So I was very excited. The conference was pretty much a flop. There were twenty one people that attended.

Wow. There were just as many speakers and vendors as attendees. And so Friday night, nobody was really there, and Dean Haglund’s sitting at his table, like, all alone. So I’m like you just can’t pass up that type of opportunity. So I went and talked to him for quite a while.

And this movie we talked about horror movies. We talked about lots of things. But this was one he said, I’ve got a funny story about this one movie. And he said it’s paradise or Phantom of the Paradise in the Paradise Theater. And he says it’s a seventies like comedy horror little bit of a musical.

He’s but the funniest thing is he was in maybe it was Winnipeg. I don’t remember the exact town. One one One little place up It’s Winnipeg. It was Winnipeg? Okay.

Yep. That every year, they celebrate in This movie have a celebration, and people watch it. And it’s a kind of a big fun deal for them out there, and it’s like keeping the movie alive. I’m like, I’ve never heard of these. If you didn’t live in Winnipeg, nobody’s heard of it.

So I mentioned that a couple times, so we decided to watch it for our time this year.

Rhys: It’s true. And Jeff Strand mentioned it when we asked him for movie recommendations two.

Stephen: Yeah, which I thought was very

Rhys: interesting. Yeah.

Yeah. And it kinda makes sense, seeing what where he comes from and what he works on.

Stephen: Exactly. Yeah. Comedy, horror.

He did live in Kent, so it’s something in the water for us around here to watch this type of stuff. We

Rhys: are the Winnipeg of Ohio.

Stephen: There you

Rhys: go. Phantom of the Paradise was done it’s an American film, And it was done in nineteen seventy two, but it did not release until nineteen seventy four because they were making a lot of changes To it in post. It took him about two years to get through it all.


Stephen: would really love to know what all they changed. Oh, yeah. You know what? What did you think was so bad for this movie that you changed this, which is an improvement? Because Not that it’s horrible, but this is not everybody’s cup of tea and not the movie that everyone’s gonna say was the best movie ever or anything.

Rhys: Yeah. It’s really odd. When it was all done and Price and I were heading home, I asked him if he had a good time. He’s Yeah. And I’m like which one did you like best?

He liked this movie the best. Really? Yeah. Because and I think it’s because it’s so far outside of what he and I usually watch. Got it.

Stephen: Yeah. More of a See, Colin was like, wow. That movie was something, wasn’t it? And, yes, that’s just kinda I can now say I’ve seen it, but I’m probably not gonna pull it up to watch again. That’s is that it did. If

Rhys: you are a student of modern music history, You know at the end of the eight end of the sixties and the start of the seventies, there was this rash of rock operettas They were coming out all over the place. The Who Had Tommy and Quadrophenia and you had Hair and Jesus Christ Superstar. Godspell. Godspell.

This movie is like a spoof of that whole genre. Yeah. And as you go through it, you can actually see it. The movie opens with a band playing, and they’re like That hokey kind of fifties jibe and, it’s like that greaser kind of thing. And then later on, you have the whole horror glam thing that you had, like Alice Cooper was doing, and you had KISS and Black Sabbath.

And then in the end, you had just had the giant spectacle, the kind of thing that Elton John or The Who would do when they were making these kind of movies. It runs an hour and thirty one minutes, so it fits the time criteria.

Stephen: And some people would be saying, oh, thank god it wasn’t any longer. I’m sure. Nothing against the movie,

Rhys: but Yeah.

It was done on a budget of one point three million dollars which is about nine point five million dollars today. Wow. tWo months after its release, it had grossed about two hundred and fifty thousand dollars worldwide.

Stephen: Winnipeg alone has probably given it back the nine million in the last forty years. It’s

Rhys: really interesting.

We mentioned Winnipeg a lot because Winnipeg does have a Phantom of Paradise Gathering, where they have the actors come and they show it on a big screen and everything. But the movie actually did best in France. The French loved this film. Interesting. So well, they’re into Weird stuff.

Stephen: They started the whole what was that movement with the extreme

Rhys: New French extremity. Yeah. And then you also you know, they’re big fans of what was his name? Jerry Lewis?

Really? Yeah. He’s huge fan, huge fans of his comedy, which I’m just like, Okay. But it’s what plays there.


Stephen: Weird Al has a song, I’m a genius in France, so I

Rhys: guess it fits. I bet you he is too. I bet they love him. This fits into if for those of you for the twelve of you who are listening to this who have actually heard my Conversation about the horror diet. This fits in very well because this was written and directed by Brian De Palma.

Stephen: Which you were surprised

Rhys: at. I was. I was shocked. I didn’t know. This was, like, his second major length movie that he did, And I had no idea that he had done this.

Brian De Palma has forty two past projects. His first few were shorts. His first full length movie was called Murder a la Mode, and it is the first, Major starring role for Robert De Niro.

Stephen: Oh hey, that makes

Rhys: sense. I think it was a comedy.


Stephen: sounds like

Rhys: it. Yeah. Yeah. He then fan of the paradise, I think, was his second film. But he also he worked with Marco Kidder in the movie sisters.

I don’t know if you’ve ever seen that with the twins. He directed Carrie and Scarface, Body Double, The Untouchables, Bonfire, The Vanities, Snake Eyes, Carlito Way, Carlito’s Way. Yeah. Mission Impossible, Femme Fatale, The Black Dahlia, Passion, And Domino, he has two upcoming projects, Sweet Vengeance and Catch and Kill.

Stephen: I Went and saw Flowers of the Killer Moon with Scorsese.

So De Niro or De Palma is like that. These guys in their seventies and eighties still making wonderful films.

Rhys: It’s crazy because De Palma is if you research DePalma, he is actually good friends with everybody. hE is Steven Spielberg’s son, Max. He’s his godfather.

Nice. He’s good friends with Quentin Tarantino. Like, all these work he worked with Lucas. He helped him write the opening scroll of a new hope. Yeah.

You said that, which was Just as a favor. He wasn’t getting paid for it or anything because, what, Lucas is gonna make any money on this. I doubt that’ll happen. And he has probably been considered and turned down more movie titles than almost anyone. He was asked originally to be the director for Fatal Attraction, The Truman Show, Thelma and Louise and Flashdance.

Huge titles that just at the time he didn’t feel like doing, so he didn’t do them or he might have been busy doing something else.

Stephen: Once you made Phantom of the Paradise, You can pick and choose anything you want. That’s true.

Rhys: That’s true. He’s a huge Hitchcock fan and he’s not above using Hitchcock type themes as he’s working.

He also liked working with a guy named Bernard Herrmann, who did the music for a lot of Hitchcock films. Oh, okay. And De Palma would use him to do music for his films. He’s also well known for having doppelgangers in this film. If you’ve ever seen sisters Margot Kidder is like this nice Lady, and then there’s an evil twin of her who’s running around murdering people.

Who plays that one?

Stephen: Yeah. Goodbye. You had the star. I got you.

Rhys: I was like oh, yeah. Body doubles, the same kind of thing. He’s also known for taking long, slow motion shots. Yeah. And he’s big on voyeuristic themes.

Whenever you have a diploma film, Any scene, there’s somebody watching somewhere, and it shows up in here in this movie too. There’s a whole scene with, Winslow’s looking through the window and seeing Phoenix and Swan on the bed, that whole kind of thing.

Stephen: And then you also had the one scene where there was a director guy watching the scene.

Rhys: Yeah.

The movie Starts out kinda confusing, and this was probably the lowest point of the movie for me is right out of the gate, which it doesn’t promise well, as far as holding you there. But it starts out because you’re seeing through Swan’s eyes. You are the voyeur looking through Swan’s eyes. It’s kinda confusing. You’re like, what the hell is going on here?

Once you got over that hurdle, The rest of the movie was okay.

Stephen: Yeah. Yeah. It’s got pieces of other stuff in there that people recognize.

Rhys: It does.

I’m gonna talk about five members of the cast. Okay. William Finley played the Phantom and Winslow, same person. He went to college at Columbia University with Brian De Palma.

Stephen: Nice.

That was, yeah, that was the time Spielberg and Lucas were there too, and they were all chummy and friends and yeah. Yep.

Rhys: That’s why they’re all so close. Oh, Finley died in two thousand twelve. He was involved in twenty two projects.

A lot of them are diplomas. He was in Murder a la Mode, diploma’s first Film. He was in this. He was in the Black Dahlia, but he was also in The Wedding Party Sisters, another diploma film, and The Fury. Paul Williams plays Swan.

And the funny thing about Paul Williams is that he’s known almost more as a conductor or That’s a musician, then he is as an actor. He’s been involved in ninety two projects, including battle for the planet of the apes, Smokey and the Bandit, And part two and part three. Yes. Yes.

Just in case. The Muppet movie, he’s big on hanging out with the Muppets. The Rainbow Connection. He wrote that song. Which I thought was cool.

I didn’t know that. Yeah. The Secret of Nim, He was in the Doors movie A Muppets Christmas, Letters to Santa, and he’s got one upcoming project called My Cricket and

Stephen: Me. Yeah. He was in Secret of NIMH.

He probably fit into the mouse suit pretty easy.

Rhys: He did he also did the music for Phantom of the Paradise. So all those songs. Jessica Harper plays Phoenix. She is the love interest in the film.

She was at last year’s horror fest Because she’s been in forty nine titles. This was her first major motion picture role, but then she was in Suspiria. And this is the D’Argento Suspiria from nineteen seventy seven. She is the scream queen running around being targeted by Unseen Forces. She was also in Shock Treatment and Minority Report. And I love it when they do this. She was in the twenty eighteen Suspiria as

Stephen: well. Yeah. When they come back and she was like one of the teachers or something like that.

DC loves to do that with their older actors. They pull them that did something back in the eighties or nineties and pull them into the news stuff. Just some little bit and not just a Weird little cameo. It’s instead of being Supergirl, you’re now Supergirl’s mother. Yeah.

They give them pretty good parts.

Rhys: And, If you’re gonna go ahead and remake a film, the least you can do is take the people who made it successful and give them something to do in it. Yeah.

Yeah. Garrett Graham plays character named Beef. He is an over the top it’s a really weird combination because he’s The feminine yet toxically masculine musician. It’s really odd. Yeah.

He also wrote music, And he wrote wrote music for The Little Mermaid and The Prince and the Pauper, Disney titles. Wow. He wrote the lyrics for the Grateful Dead song, victim or the crime just based on hearing, Oh, man. Just hearing them the melody, he just came up with the lyrics. He’s been involved in a hundred and thirty projects, includes a ton of television as well as movies like Beware the Blob, Strange New World, Demon Seed, It’s Alive three, Island of the Alive, Police Academy six Under Siege, Chud two, Bud the Chud, Child’s Play two.

He’s not starring in huge movies, but this like my girl Two. He was in all of the spin offs. But he did a ton of them. It just kept working.

The last guy we’re gonna mention is completely uncredited in the film, Rod Serling does the voice over for the narration at the start Yeah. For all of you Twilight Zone people. DE Palma originally the opening scene starts with a bunch of fifties musicians performing, and they’re behaving poorly because DePalma’s looking at it through the lens of history. He knows how poorly these guys actually would behave, And these guys are actively doing it on stage, which

Stephen: is Yeah. They’re doing a doo wop song, and they’re it’s singing about raping somebody or something.


Rhys: Yes. He wanted Sean Anand to do that, but he found they were too annoying to work with. So He also tried to hire the stones or the who to play all the music, but they were just too expensive to work

Stephen: with. Yeah. That probably would have been more than what they spent on the whole

Rhys: movie.

Yeah. It this is Nick Cage’s favorite Brian De Palma film.

Stephen: That’s wacky.

Rhys: And it is the favorite movie of both members of Daft Punk. They absolutely.

And if you look at the end with all the glitz and the glamour and Swan there with the giant mask over his head, It fits that vibe.

Stephen: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Haglund said, it’s an interesting movie, but nobody’s ever heard of it.

And all these people that say it, that’s the cult classicism of it.

Rhys: Yeah. It was the target of four different lawsuits. People are getting sued all over the place. The estate of the author of The Phantom, the Opera, wanted to sue him.

Universal Pictures wanted to sue him. King Pictures wanted to sue him because the original name was The Phantom, which was one of their movie titles they’ve already had, so he had to change the name. And, again, it didn’t do well in North America except for Winnipeg, but it is a huge hit in France for, The French. What are you gonna

Stephen: do? Just in all those little things endear it to my heart.

Rhys: Yeah. He has these another thing he does is that he has these literary themes. Faust is definitely the driving theme for the entire movie, hundred and ten percent. But you can find literary references to the Phantom of the Opera, obviously. But Frankenstein, there’s a thing Picture of Dorian Gray is another one.

And there’s a direct thing of the cask of Amontillado. He specifically put in there for all the good it did For those guys. But It’s

Stephen: like Easter eggs to all this other stuff because it’s not you know, the whole movie plot isn’t that one thing. It’s, like, all put mushed together.

Rhys: It was nominated for eight awards, and it won three. And of the three, it won. It looks like A lot of them are French. One, it won in nineteen seventy five when it released.

One, it when it came out on DVD in two thousand seven, the We did release one an award again in France, but it did win a Rondo Hatton classic horror award, which is kinda like the Oscars for the horror movies because, we won’t get Academy Awards if you do horror movies. I was

Stephen: just gonna say because we know how often horror wins Oscars.

Rhys: Yeah. And, again, the film was legitimately just this story. It’s an interaction between two characters.

You have Swan and Winslow, And it’s just retelling Faust where Winslow is Faust and Swan is the devil.

Stephen: With fan of the opera overlaid on top of it.

Rhys: Yep. Yep. And the characters throughout the movie are very stereotypical.

Swan is this manipulative bastard The whole movie through. There’s no redeeming qualities to him. Winslow is this naive artist who only cares about his work. Even his Desire for Phoenix, who is the female character, has nothing to do with how she looks. It’s because she sings so beautifully.

And Phoenix is this female artist who desperately wants respect for her talents, and she’ll do anything to get it. Yeah. And then, Beef was just he was so over the top.

You could almost look at Beef and say, wow. I can see Rocky Horror Picture so evolving from this character.

Stephen: Yeah. Absolutely. And like you said, it’s Interesting that the band goes through different phases, their 50s doo wop up to their metal glam type stuff.

And it’s the same band, and they

Rhys: act The same musicians. Yeah. Yeah.

Stephen: And their final stage thing is just You got to enjoy it because they got sabers on the end of their guitars and they’re slicing off limbs. That’s

Rhys: not the last one.

That was the Frankenstein one. Okay. The last one’s the wedding where everything starts to go horribly awry, and then there’s some guy takes off his shirt, and he’s just running around fighting people and stuff, and you’re just like, who is this guy? And he doesn’t really have anything to do with anything. You already have. You have Swan over here.

He’s dying. And, oh here’s Winslow. He’s crawling across. He’s dying. And then there’s this shirtless guy running around hanging out with all these people.

It’s almost like he was an extra. He’s I’m gonna stay close to the stars. Gonna get myself in this damn

Stephen: movie. Like the guy at the concert video that says, hear that scream that was me screaming. Yeah.


Rhys: Yeah. The musical passages are nicely composed. They’re performs You know, they performed well. About the only thing I can say about it is there’s this really, For me, this uncomfortable part where Jessica Harper dances because she’s in Suspiria.

She can dance ballet, and what she was doing out there was not ballet. But all in all, I thought it was an entertaining film. I think it’s a historic film In that it has definite influences on people. This isn’t like the Exorcist, any kind of contemporary that came out with it. But still, it’s one of those things that gets mentioned like freaks.

It gets whispered about on the edges.

Stephen: So it’s definitely not for the casual horror viewer who normally just watches one or two a year mostly at Halloween time. Yes. It’s probably not gonna be for the but if you’ve been one of those, it’s man, I’ve seen everything.

I’m tired of Halloween twenty seven and Jason versus Freddy number six. And, if you get if you want something that’s different and a callback to other things. This is a really good one to latch onto and find. And if you’re one of those people that likes to hunt and I finally found it. This will be one of them.

Trust me.

Rhys: Yeah. It’s also relatively family friendly.

Stephen: Yeah. Yeah.

Even minor amounts of hinting at drugs and stuff, there’s smoking because it’s ’70s. But

Rhys: no real nudity or anything. There’s all kinds of hints about sex and stuff like that, but there’s nothing overt.

Stephen: Even the slicing off of limbs and stuff is all

Rhys: up and stuff. It’s stage one.

You can tell

Stephen: when you’re watching It’s very yeah. They wanted it to be. Yeah. Yes. It is family friendly, but I can’t see many six year olds sitting through the whole thing saying, wow.

That was Great. Except maybe us, but we’re weird.

Rhys: Yeah. Yeah. So that was our first film.

And I’m here.

Stephen: I’ll put links in the show notes. Oh, good. Okay. Our next one was The Void, which has a very interesting history making.

Rhys: This is one of those things when we would do these horror fests, I don’t Wanna go in having seen all the films, and this is one that I brought that I had seen. The other two were new to me. THe Void is a Canadian film. There’s just there’s gonna be a Canadian theme to this whole thing. It came out in two thousand sixteen.

It runs an hour and ninety minutes, and it was nominated for five awards, and it won three of those. Best makeup and best special effects,

Stephen: And the best feature. Really good special effects. They did it right. They didn’t show you the whole creature for minutes on end.

It was pieces here and there, and that’s perfect. Yep.

Rhys: The film was crowdfunded, which I just think is an amazing new source of revenue for these young independent.

Stephen: We watch so many movies that I always bring up the battery, how that guy basically got ten friends with six hundred bucks each and made the movie for six thousand bucks, or La Casa Muto where they were trying to do it all on one little camera that anybody can purchase, consumer level camera. Movies are definitely not what they were back in the day that as far as it doesn’t need to be these five hundred million dollar movies.

I thought this was a great movie. I’d listed up there as one of my favorite movies I’ve seen this year.

Rhys: Yeah. This just to put throw it in a nutshell, this is The Last Shift If it was written by HP Lovecraft. Yes.

That’s really base it’s just it’s in a hospital, not a police department. And yeah. aLmost the entire movie was done with practical effects. Hardly anything was CGI in this which is we’ll talk about why that’s an obvious thing here in a second. The movie’s tagline was there is a hell.

This is worse. That could have been better written. Yeah. Yeah.

Stephen: Somebody in the marketing department just really wanted to get people interested regardless of what the movie really was.


Rhys: It was supposed to be shot in an abandoned hospital, but the building was in such bad shape it wasn’t safe. So instead, they shot it in a four in a high school in Sault Ste. Marie the Ontario side, and it was, Sir James Dunn Collegiate and Vocational School. So for those of you who like to track down movie settings there’s an there’s another map pinned for you. So the fun part about this movie is that it was written and directed by two guys who are not directors or writers.

Stephen: Which I thought was

Rhys: great. Yes. Steven Kostanski and Jeremy Gillespie.

And here’s why the no CGI rule becomes very important. Steven Kostanski is a makeup artist, and he’s worked on huge titles, The Haunting of Connecticut, Todd and the Book of Pure Evil Resident Evil Retribution, Silent Hill Revelation, The Hannibal series, ABCs of Death, Clown, Crimson Peak Suicide Squad, It, Star Trek Discovery. So he’s Worked on a ton of stuff. Yeah. He has he is listed for directing fifteen pieces.

Lots of them are horror style type things but some of them are like VHS ninety four, which is an Anthology. So he did a chunk of it. He directed Leprechaun Returns and I did not know this horror movie existed. Father’s day, which he directed. I’ve seen mother’s day, both of them, but I’ve not seen father’s day.

His partner in this was Jimmy Gillespie, and he’s an art director and a composer. And this is his only directorial film he’s ever done.

Stephen: At least right now, he might do more. He might. I think it went

Rhys: well.

But I think, He’s done music for ten different projects, including Father’s Day and one of the ABCs of death. But he’s worked in the art department in twenty seven titles, Total Recall, Pacific Rim RoboCop, two thousand fourteen. Pixels, Poltergeist, two thousand fifteen, Suicide Squad, It parts one and two, Shazam, Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. And you can it’s got an artsy feel to it. Yeah.

And I’m going to say it’s All on his end. He’s the one that decided.

Stephen: It does, but it doesn’t feel like an arthouse type film. It’s definitely a it could have been a big screen horror

Rhys: film. Yeah.

And he like, the kind of things he does, you have these cultists. You could do a million things with the cultists, And instead, he just has them completely covered head to toe in a white sheet basically with a black triangle painted over their face, which is Very stylistic. And I mentioned, like, when you first see them, when it’s just one, it seems kinda silly. Then the guy pulls out this knife, but then when you turn and the entire forest is full of them, it’s actually pretty freaking scary.


Stephen: It’s what we’ve said before, some of the subtle things. Too often, the movie maker peoples are trying to go for this big jump scare, this big horrific looking something or whatever. And it’s really not as scary, But you get that silent guy walking behind you in the dark, and you’re freaked out like crazy watching a movie with somebody walking down the sidewalk someone silently following them and showing it from the person in front’s perspective.

It creeps people out.

Rhys: Yeah. They were inspired to do this when they heard Guillermo del Toro was working in at the mountains of madness, And he wasn’t overly happy with the way it was going and he was lamenting that he wanted to do Lovecraft, but he wanted to do it in a new manner that really captured Lovecraft. And it’s pretty ballsy to be like, oh, you know what?

Gail or the Torah wants to do this, but we’re just gonna go ahead and do it. I think they actually did a really good

Stephen: job. They

Rhys: did. Yeah. Yeah.

And they purposely left stuff like the pyramid. There’s this black pyramid that shows up throughout the thing. And the whole thing with the cult. They left it all purposely ambiguous. Yep.

You can fill in what you want for that stuff.

Stephen: And if you do like Lovecraft, you know how all that stuff ties together without being directly tied together. Yeah. And this that fit very well with this whole thing.

Rhys: Yeah.

The cast, I have a lot of them on here, but it’s gonna run fast because they don’t there’s not a whole lot of stuff. Aaron Poole plays Daniel Carter. He’s the deputy sheriff in this. He’s Canadian. He’s been in eighty seven projects.

He made his debut on the x files. And he’s got tons of television appearances. He was in the spiral film, which is a remake, he’s got three upcoming projects, The Trades, Little, and Ithaca. Kenneth Walsh, Another Canadian actor.

He played doctor Richard Powell. He passed away last year in two thousand twenty two, But the man worked. He was in two hundred and forty one projects. Wow. He started in sixty three on a show called Shoestring Theater, And then he was yeah.

He was in all kinds of stuff like phobia, Crocodile Dundee two. He had a long run on Twin Peaks. He had a long run on a show called The Divide. He was in Death Wish, the face of death, Timecop legends of the fall if you’ve ever seen that. Yeah.

The exorcism of Emily Rose, which is a great Little horror film, he was in the two thousand five remake of The Fog. The Rise of the Silver Surfer, he was in that. And he’s got three posthumous projects coming up. The Magic Hour, Afterwards, and Campton Manor. Ellie Wong plays Kim.

She is the candy striper kind of character who’s studying to become a nurse. She’s been in twenty six projects. This was her major movie debut. Oh, no. Her major movie debut was Scott Pilgrim versus the World.

Stephen: Oh, that’s very

Rhys: esteemed. Yeah. It’s an esteemed cult film for sure. She was in the two thousand twelve version of Silent Night, and she’s got two upcoming projects. One being the new Scott Pilgrim takes off and something called Beacon twenty three.

Kathleen Monroe plays Alison Fraser. She is the nurse in the film. She’s been in sixty eight projects, Tons of television. Let’s see. She was in the car, Road to Revenge.

Oh, okay. And she’s got two upcoming projects, The Dogs, and she’s in an episode of Law and Order Toronto. Is there anywhere in the world where there’s not a law and order

Stephen: law? Law and order Deerfield. Deerfield.

Rhys: Daniel Fathers plays the father. The character doesn’t actually have a name. He’s just called

Stephen: the father. That was actually one of the things I really liked about it because, again, it fit Lovecraft’s Mhmm. Feel.

All of us did. But just as characters Comes in. He’s gonna shoot everybody, threatening them all. He’s in most of the rest of the movie, but you never get a name because it’s not important. It just I like the feel of that decision.

Rhys: Of all the characters in the film, the father was my least favorite because he seemed Rigidly stuck in the stereotype to drive Flot which, tons of movies do that. Yeah. I know it wasn’t Daniel Fathers who was not able to act because he was in Pontypool, which we’ll have to put that on a list. It is an Absolutely out there, Phil. He was also in The Witcher Blood Origin, and he’s got an upcoming project called Glow and Darkness.

Meek Bischoff plays his son. aGain, doesn’t give a name, just the son. He doesn’t speak at all because his throat’s been damaged in the film. He’s been in thirteen projects. The Void was his first major motion picture.

He was also in iZombie the x files supernatural, supergirl, and the magicians. So he’s been in a lot of he is also the only non Canadian actor on the list. He’s Danish. Oh, wow.

Doctor. Hence, why his name is hard for me to pronounce. Matt Groening’s nurse. Matt Groening, if you don’t know, he’s the guy who came up with the Simpsons. His niece, Amy, is in the film as a voice.

She plays the dispatcher on the radio. She has been in thirty two projects, including my favorite hockey movie of all time, Goon Todd in the book of pure evil, and a film called Rain. I don’t know if well, she can’t just be voices. I

Stephen: don’t know.

It’s all she does. She’s a voice being a voice over or audiobook actor, yeah. She just does the voices on radios and stuff for movies.

Rhys: If you have watched all the movies that we have reviewed and you sat down and watched this, you would not be shocked Because this movie definitely fits a horror lasagna kind of profile.

It’s low budget. It’s Alternatively funded. It’s got a bunch of no name people in it, and it’s really well done. So Yeah.

Stephen: Yeah.

It was I really enjoyed it. It is hard to get a good Lovecraft movie. I’ll agree with Guillermo there. bUt this one, I think, pulled it off well. It did do some of the, big stuff with the portal and the beans on the other side and that, but it didn’t try and actually show you all the big guys, which would be, like, really lame.

So Yeah.

Rhys: Where Europa report Did this Lovecraft nod to Lovecraft where you have this horror of the vastness of space, This does it where you have the horror of multiple tentacled entities and just seeming utter Nonsense chaos everywhere. Maybe those guys should work together. Yeah.

That’d be actually pretty cool. It starts with a little bit of mystery because you have the father and the son, and they’re leaving this house. They have this girl with them. They just shoot her dead. And another guy played by Evan Stern.

The character’s name is James. Evan Stern is if you’ve ever seen Letterkenny, He’s one of the scrubs in letter, Kenny. That’s what you said. He’s rolled.

So That’s how the movie starts. And like I said, the first time you see the cultist, it’s like you’re a cop. There’s a cop there. He’s got a gun. He goes out.

He sees this cultist standing there, and he’s trying to communicate with him because he’s not one of those shoot first, ask questions later. And the guy’s just there, and then just all of a sudden, there’s a knife in the guy’s hand, and he cuts the cop, and then the cop sticks a step back and looks. And there are just cultists everywhere. And again the suit first comes across very silly, The idea of a horde of them is just terrifying.

Stephen: But they don’t do what you kept expecting is rush the hospital and all that.

They don’t do that. They’re watching.

Rhys: Yep. They’re just there because they know everything happening in the hospital is already under control because the main bad guy’s already there. And he’s got everything in plan. The monster design for this was amazing. Again god. We bring this up all the time, but very Silent Hill Yeah. Where you have a character who morphs into a monster, And there are still recognizable traits of that character in the monster itself, and you’re like, oh my god.

That’s like that other nurse who he just shot.

Stephen: Which by the way, they’re remaking most of the early Silent Hill Games.

Rhys: Yeah. I’ve heard I don’t have a lot of faith in Konami just in general because they tend to take the what’s the fastest way for us to make cash way of doing things of late, but, I keep my fingers crossed maybe. Yeah.

Someone’s gonna

Stephen: I’ve got most of the older ones except for that one on Wii, which just a little more than I’m willing to spend.

Rhys: I Own all eight. Yeah. I think there’s eight. Maybe there’s nine.

Downpour might have been nine. I don’t know. I own them all. Played them all. They’re great moo great games.

Yeah. The twist in the middle of this movie about who’s behind the whole thing. I didn’t see that coming at

Stephen: all. And the reason again, it’s very lovecraftian because it His reasoning for being the bad guy is allowing him to open up the portal, is allowing him to give himself up and you understand it.

Rhys: Yeah.

What was that we were watching? Oh, it was The Loved Ones where you were like, when you’re talking about murders and the bad guys are there, I can understand what they’re doing. But loved ones, I don’t feel any sympathy for these people. This is a case where the guy who’s behind the whole thing, you’re like, oh, he lost someone, and that’s what drove him to do this. You’re like, I can kinda get it.

I wouldn’t be doing it, But I can kinda get it. The only part where they did lean on CGI, and it’s annoying to me. It was the absolute end where you have the sheriff and the nurse in the alien land with a giant black pyramid in the background. It looked okay, but it wasn’t that great.

But the thing that drove me nuts about it, there was a television series out of Germany that’s on Netflix called The Dark or might be just Dark. If you watch it, it’s really confusing because it’s a Timey wimey jumbly kind of thing. And it’s people stomping on their own timelines. It’s a giant mess.

But if you stick with it, You get to the end of the first season, and all of a sudden, you’re taken from our world to the world these people were traveling back in time from. And I was like, that looks amazing. I wanna see more of that. And then in the second season, they give you more of that. Oh, nice.

That’s how this movie ended. The movie ends, and you’re like, that world looks so intriguing. I wanna see more of that. But, these guys who crowdfunded this probably aren’t working on the sequel, But it would be really cool.

Stephen: It would, but sometimes too much or actually getting that ruins it.

Look at Hellraiser two. You got hell. You got all that, and it’s kinda of course, that was still way better than CD nipple guy from the third movie. So I was thinking

Rhys: of the same thing because I don’t know. Somehow, Sinister came up.

Was it Sinister? Yeah. I think Sinister is the one where people are killing themselves, their kids are actually killing them and making it look like the first one was amazing. I loved that movie. As, there were some Locality issues because they based it in Western Pennsylvania, so they were having stuff happen that doesn’t happen out in, this in this area.

But, They came out with a second one, and they gave the demon this hard definition here’s how you summon him and here’s his name, and it ruined the whole thing. The first one, he’s a complete mystery. There’s this seemingly Unstoppable power that’s killing your children, causing your children to kill you. And then in the second one, they’re like, oh, here’s how you stop him. I’ve got to stop My kids from doing, and it’s yeah, I get that.

While it looks really pretty and I’d like to see more, It might just completely fuck

Stephen: the whole thing up. Yeah. It’s the, Hey, let’s explain the force by adding midi chlorians to the universe.

Rhys: Yes. Yeah.

Just make it a mystery thing. We don’t need to know how or why

Stephen: it works. Exactly. Sometimes it’s better. We like that.

We need more of that.

Rhys: Something that did not suck was our third film. Third movie. Yeah. And I have to be one hundred and ten honest here, I thought this might blow.

Stephen: I had heard good things about it. So even King said he liked it. So

Rhys: Once I started researching, I started to feel better, but we watched the boogeyman. The new one. Yeah.

Released in two thousand twenty three, it is a US Canadian film. So Canada’s got their fingers all through this episode. hEre’s why I thought it would

Stephen: suck. Because it’s a King adaptation. Boom.

That’d be A lot of them are not good. They’re not.

Rhys: And this was based on The Boogeyman, which came out at night shift. It was first published in nineteen seventy three in Cavalier magazine. But It’s a short story of his, which, a, you’re stretching that into a movie that’s probably not good.

And, apparently, aside from sharing the names with the characters it’s a completely different story.

Stephen: The very beginning of it is pretty much the short story, and then they extended it. So the movie is everything extended, which I didn’t really understand. I just knew it was based on that short story, That’s what I had heard. So

Rhys: So that was the first strike against it in my book.

The second, it had an estimated thirty five million dollar budget. In horror. This is a big budget horror

Stephen: film. Yeah. Which usually means we’re just gonna show you the monster over and over again because we can afford it, and we think that’s Gary.

Rhys: Now it was supposed to go straight to streaming, but they did it at a test audience, and it tested so they decided to actually give it a theatrical release, and it made sixty seven million worldwide. So they doubled their money basically Just by putting it in theaters. Yeah. It runs an hour and thirty eight. Yeah.

Stephen: Let me interject. That’s not the only thing they discovered by putting it in front of test audiences. Oh,

Rhys: yeah. Yeah. There were parts of it where the editing was done in such a way that there would be this scare.

People would scream, and they’d keep screaming through where people were talking, and so they would miss parts of the conversation. So they actually had to go back in and pad the space after the scare So the crowd could finish screaming, and then they could continue with dialogue because the dialogue was

Stephen: important. I think that’s wonderful. That right there endeared it to me, just that little tidbit. So anyway

Rhys: The the third strike for this is it’s a twentieth Century Studios production.

And almost any time These big studios get involved. It ends up a mess. And I don’t know whether they were hands off or they finally hired someone competent, But, this actually was really good.

Stephen: It was. I enjoyed it a lot.

The whole premise of extending that story, but keeping it exactly what was intended from the original short story. They did a great job of doing that without ruining it.

Rhys: They actually rented out Stephen King’s favorite movie theater in Maine And just had him in the theater with whoever he wanted to bring to watch it. And when it was done, he said it was fucking terrifying. So he really liked it.

On top of that Steve’s always talking about playing drinking games. If you are literarily minded, There are a ton of Easter eggs to King’s other works loaded throughout this movie. We didn’t even catch half of them. Oh god. No.

No. yEah. It was actually really good. I was quite surprised. The screenplay was written by a trio of guys, Scott Beck, Brian Woods, and Mark Heyman.

Heyman worked on Black Swan, Which was nominated for an Oscar in the horror one of the few six horror movies that have ever been nominated. Beck worked on Oh, Beck and Woods wrote The Haunts and A Quiet Place one and two. I

Stephen: which I enjoyed those. See, I wasn’t a big fan. Really?

I thought because I thought it was a little different.

Rhys: It was, I don’t know. I have a hard it’s one of those things like you were saying when we did The Others about Nicole Kidman. You’re like it’s Nicole Kidman.

I had the same thing with not Krasinski. That was his character from The Office, but Him and his wife, every time I see him, it’s okay. Yeah. You’re giant megastars now. I don’t really care what you’re doing anymore.

Yeah, that’s probably tainted my like for that, but it was directed by a guy named Rob Savage. I love that name. Rob Savage.

Stephen: He’s either a wrestler or a heavy metal guitar player. He’s actually a British director.

That was the third choice.

Rhys: Yes. He did twenty prior projects. He started with six shorts at the start of his career. He did an Internet horror called Host.

He also did dashcam, and he’s got one upcoming project called night of the ghoul. But he’s not one of those guys who Has a ton of stuff out there. Wasn’t some it’s like hiring Ben Wheatley who did which one of his movies did we Review. Oh, Wheatley did kill list, Harry Higgins do the Meg Part two. I was like, it doesn’t make a lot of sense because it’s really not like his vein.

But Oddly enough Rob Savage did a bunch of micro budget films that were really critically acclaimed, And he won a British independent film award for his initial film called Strings three years before Ben Wheatley won it for Down Terrace. Oh, nice. A little more tie in to our earlier stuff.

Stephen: And not only that, but because of the success of Boogeyman he’s landed The Langoliers remake.

So I hope you got it coming out hopefully someday. It

Rhys: helps when the guy who owned the original property liked your movie.

Stephen: Yeah. That’s probably a big influence. Yeah.

Rhys: I Got four four actors here. Sophie Thatcher plays Sadie, the older sister. agAin, I love doing this. She’s twenty one in that film, people. The actress was twenty one years old when she did that film.

So sleepovers with her best friends at her daddy’s house is not something that she actually Yes.

Stephen: I even said, I think she’s sixteen. That was way off.

Rhys: Yeah. She’s done thirteen projects, Including two episodes of the Exorcist TV series.

She was in Blink. She’s got a long run on Yellowjackets, And more along Steve’s line, she was in The Book of Boba Fett. Oh, yeah. She played Drash.

Stephen: Oh, nice.

Rhys: She’s got three upcoming projects including one called Heretic, one called Companion, and more episodes Yellowjackets because apparently that’s a really good show. Chris Messina. He plays Will Harper. He was born in nineteen seventy four in New York. He’s been on seventy five projects.

He started with Rounders in nineteen ninety eight. He was in You’ve Got Mail. He’s got a long list of television stuff, including a long run-in the newsroom and in the moo The Mindy Project. He was in a movie,

Stephen: I think. Yeah.

I recognize him now from Mindy Project. Yeah.

Rhys: Yep. He’s also in Argo and Birds of Prey and that Matt Damon film about Nike Air? Oh, yeah.

Recently. He’s in that. Yeah. He’s also in a movie called Devil. You and I were just talking about restricted set films.

Devil is one of those. Love that movie. We gotta figure out somewhere Some way to shoehorn that to a season.

Yeah. He’s got

Stephen: one of them. You should just every now and then pick some random movie. We can’t figure out where to put it, watch it and save it, and then do a season of just random nonsense or whatever. I

Rhys: that’s actually a good idea.

He’s got one upcoming project called We’re Just Married. VIvian Lyra Blair is the little girl in this movie, and she is the most amazing child actor in horror that I’ve seen since Jodel Furland.

Stephen: And not only in horror. I thought she was wonderful in Kenobi.

Rhys: And this is my bias showing through here, but I always consider kids who can act really well in horror, That’s gotta be a hard genre to work in.

Probably. Yeah. Especially when it’s not just run around and scream like in Cooties. Just run around, scream, have a good time.

People are gonna swing you around and stuff. It’ll be fun. Jodel Forlan, She plays like a twelve year old who’s been who is the devil. She gets drowned at the end of the film. That kind of stuff, I think, has gotta be hard on a kid.

Stephen: Just ask Linda Blair. See what she says.

Rhys: Yeah. Yeah.

Linda Blair is another great example. Yeah. So Vivian Lyra Blair. Holy shit. I just made that connection.

I don’t know if they’re related or not. I’m surprised you haven’t asked me yet. You always ask me when I haven’t looked it up. She plays Sora Sawyer Harper, the little girl in the film. She was eleven years old When they filmed this, she’s already done seventeen projects.

hEr first film was in two thousand seventeen, a movie called Band Aid. She was in Bird Box. The witchcraft motion picture company presents the horror anthology volume one. Wow.

Stephen: Yeah.


Rhys: funny. She did seven episodes on the fatal attraction miniseries that needs a miniseries. And, of course, she was princess Leia in the Obi Wan Kenobi

Stephen: series. Which is the first time I remember seeing her, And I said she stole that whole show. She out she was out doing Ewan McGregor, and I think Ewan McGregor is fantastic.


Rhys: You didn’t preorder witchcraft motion picture company presents horror anthology

Stephen: volume one? I think my order must have gotten mixed up with something else I ordered.

Rhys: She’s got one upcoming project called Goodrich. Okay. The last actor I’m gonna completely slaughter his name, and I apologize to that actor For that, his name is David Dasmalchian.

I have no idea if that’s pronounced correctly or not. He plays Lester Billings. He was born in Kansas, moved to Chicago, and studied theater at DePaul University. He is one of these Bit part actors who I always love to see in movies because he is always

Stephen: amazing. I’ve been seeing him in things just because He was on the remake of MacGyver as Murdoch.

So it’s I’m gonna pay attention to him now.

Rhys: Yeah. He’s been involved in eighty two projects. His first major motion picture was the Dark Knight. And he’s the guy who works for the Joker, who Batman is threatening to beat him up.

And then, The commissioner’s this guy’s schizophrenic. He doesn’t even know what he’s doing kind of thing. Such a good job, such a good role, and such a good job he did in that film. He’s been in tons of television shows, including The Long Run and The New MacGyver. hE’s been in tons of shorts.

He was in Saving Lincoln Angry Video Game Nerd the Movie. How have you not seen that,

Stephen: Steve. I didn’t even know that exists. I’m about to look that one up

Rhys: now. He’s one of the trio of goons in Ant Man in the Ant Man movies.

Oh, okay.

Stephen: I didn’t even remember

Rhys: that. Yeah. hE’s in the Belko Experiment, Blade Runner twenty forty nine Jay and Silent Bob Reboot Suicide Squad, the new Dune. He was in weird, the Al Yankovic story.

He’s in Oppenheimer The Last Voyage of the Demeter, and he’s got two upcoming projects including Girls Will Be Girls two thousand twelve and the life of Chuck. So Okay. mY very next note on this, So all I do all of the preproduction stuff before we watch the movie and then make notes afterwards. And my first note afterwards is for all the obvious big studio backing driving this film, it was still well done.

Stephen: Yeah.

And we’ve say we say that all the time about horror movies. Yeah.

Rhys: It’s one of those now I shouldn’t say it’s not as badass, but it’s kinda like the Sentinel where the movie’s good, and that’s surprising. And I kinda wonder the sentinel was good because the director had a very strong personality. He had a vision, and he was gonna do it. And if you were the author Whispering in his ear, he was gonna ignore you and do what he wanted. If you were the studio whispering in his ear, he’s gonna ignore it. And I kinda wonder if Rob Savage It’s kinda like that if he’s like this personality that’s just I’m gonna just do this.

Stephen: I wonder also because Most of the horror we’ve watched are lower budget.

So with everything going on, I wonder if they said, you know what? This isn’t that big of a budget. We’ll be lucky if we make our money back, but just go ahead and do what you want. And they forgot about them, and they let it go, which shows again, Just shut up. If you’re the sitting on the ivory tower in your chair, let them do their job because these people know it much better than you do most of the time.

How many times have we’ve seen a movie that is oh, I heard the executives got involved and rechanged this, that, and the other thing? The movie sucks now. Event horizon.

Rhys: I Got five syllables for you right there. But and the thing is It’s so hard because society right now is so driven by profit and speed, but Horror movies make money. Yeah. It might take them a while, but they always end up in the black. Honestly, I don’t know why big studios don’t just be like, go ahead and do your thing, and we’ll collect on the back end whenever that comes around.

Stephen: Because I was reading, here’s how the movie industry works, blah blah blah blah. Oh, that thing you sent me. Maybe it was in that. And it’s okay.

By midnight Friday night, When it opens, they’re determining whether it’s a success or not. It’s dear God, I know there are certain movies Exorcist Believer is one. It’s in the theaters right now. I just haven’t had time to go see it. I wouldn’t mind going to see it, but I’ll wait till it comes on streaming.

I’ll go back and watch the other ex Exorcist movies to get ready for it. Not that I don’t wanna see it. It’s just, Time. Yeah. Time and there’s so many movies.

Or, sometimes it’s do I really want to spend the money on sitting in a theater or do I want to sit in my living room on my own couch, which will eat you, but, it’s still my couch. It’s a nice couch. It doesn’t fit. They’re going to get my money for Exorcist Believer. They’re just not getting it by Friday night when it opens.

Of course, with the strike, it’s been in theaters way longer than it would have been anyway.

Rhys: I’m trying to think which movie they that guy was pointing to. Was it Avatar? Where they’re like, it made a hundred and sixty million dollars, and, nope, it was a flop Because they thought it would make two hundred and fifty million and because it didn’t hit their budgetary number, and a lot of times They’ll do that specifically so that they don’t have to pay all the actors who get residuals as much. And it’s oh my god.

How Slimy can

Stephen: you be? So so we’ll just, once again stick with what we recommend because we’re independent a where young people were crowdfunded. These are the movies we tend to gravitate towards just because they don’t have the marketing budget. Those other movies aren’t necessarily better. They just have the bigger marketing budgets.

Rhys: Now if twentieth Century Studios wants to slide us some money, I’ll be happy to see some very nice things about you. But Absolutely.

Stephen: We’ll put your logo on the corner of the screen. That’d be not a problem. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. We’re not sellouts at all.

Rhys: This movie did a great job with pacing. They didn’t overextend.

They did do the scary thing in the first five minutes, Tina, but it’s an American film. So Yeah. And the reveal of the monster, just so well done. Just a little Glits and bits and things until you’re towards the end, and the monster was really well constructed.

Stephen: It was pretty scary because They did a good job of the whole scene was good whenever it was exposed, especially, like, when she was rolling the moon around under her bed and down the hall and stuff.


Rhys: here we go. For a second. Yeah. It’s there, and it sees, and then it, it turns away real fast, so you just get to see a glimpse of

Stephen: it. Yeah. I understand why you’re there with your date, and she’s screeching a bit or something. Yeah. That was, designed for that without being those cheesy slasher movie jump scares.

Those are the worst. And I thought the acting overall was really good throughout this whole thing. All every the whole ensemble cast did a great job together with everything they did. The only

Rhys: acting that I thought was weak was Mean Girl in high school because she was, Again, like the father in the void, she was so rigidly evil bitch just to kinda push the plot along.

And, again, It happens in almost every movie you’re gonna have that. And I was actually surprised because a lot of times in horror movies, they’ll put that in mama, the ant. They put this horrible, annoying person in there so you don’t feel bad when the monster kills them and they get a kill out of it. You said.

Stephen: Yeah.

She’s the one that has to get over to the house to get eaten.

Rhys: Yep. I fully anticipated her getting eaten, and, no, they weren’t doing that. They were just like, no. She’s just a

Stephen: bitch.

And, honestly, that Her character may be the one bad part of the movie as far as writing in that goes because, you may down on the actor or whatever, but if they’re told to act this way and here’s your lines Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I think some of her what they used her for definitely was, Like you said, a little weaker compared to a lot of the rest of the reveals and what happened, with the younger daughter, especially. The stuff they used her for was all great, and then some of that was yeah. And

Rhys: that’s that’s a really important thing to note.

The guy who played the father in the void, I have no problem with the actor. He’s like I said, he was in Pontypool, which is a really directorial masterpiece. That was a weekly written character. I’m not blaming him for it. That was on the writers or the director.

In that case, it was the same people. But and same thing with this girl. The actress who did this, I, I assume that she’s a great actress, and she just, the character itself was kinda weak, and the direction was kinda just kinda really forcing it, hammering it. It didn’t need

Stephen: to. Yeah.

But it wasn’t enough to ruin the movie. It

Rhys: was a super minor point. I just, wanted to make sure that the actors don’t think that I’m calling them absolute trash because you’re working in cinema, for God’s sakes, and I’m recording a podcast in my basement.

Stephen: So there’s our Halloween marathon for this year.

Rhys: Yep. And don’t forget, get your self addressed stamped envelopes to Steve with thirty dollars. See next last year’s.

Stephen: Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? Now I’m gonna look for a VHS filter to put over it so it gets that grain on it.

And, maybe we’ll do the lines and stuff.

Rhys: You know who would hate that? Ty West.

Stephen: Oh, yeah. True.

He hates digital

Rhys: artifacts turning to make it look like film.

Stephen: But I don’t have the actual equipment to make it real. I mean, our VCR, I was trying to dub something over for Colin, and the head doesn’t work anymore. So Just the fact that you

Rhys: said Our VCR. It says

Stephen: speaks volumes.

There you go. Yeah. May have to go to Goodwill and find a VCR just to get this tape transferred. They’re, like, Five bucks.

Yeah. You can even find the old seventies ones where it goes kachunk.

Rhys: Yeah. Don’t get your fingers

Stephen: cut in there. No.

Don’t do that. So alright. So this will come out here. Hopefully, I’ll get it this week still because it’s been a couple weeks since we had an episode. And we’ve got the rest of our Current season four is coming out, and we’re ready to go for five, and we’re I’m excited for

Rhys: five.

Season four has just been bonus after bonus. It has. We had Jeff Strand. We have this. We’ve got our regular bonus episode.

I feel like I’m missing one somehow. Oh, we did little clip clips from the last

Stephen: talk I did. Yeah. Yeah.

Rhys: Four bonuses for

Stephen: season four. So look at all the extras everyone’s getting for their money. Heck,

Rhys: yeah. Yeah. You guys I don’t wanna hear any complaints.

Stephen: Our scripting may not be as good. So Alright, man. So I will catch you later, and we’ll get working on the next season.